Shaolin Kung Fu forms and history videos

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Shaolin Kung Fu forms and history videos

Postby Dvivid » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:07 pm

Hello,

I am planning a Shaolin Kung Fu video series, with several of the monks who have relocated to the East coast in the USA. What would you like to see in this series? Obviously, it should go without saying as this is a YMAA production, we intend for this to be predominantly instruction of forms with applications; not demonstration-only, or wushu-style forms. it will also include the history, stretching, warm ups, etc related to the forms in each video.

Im not asking to hear what you DON'T want to see. I am curious to hear from those already familiar with Shaolin kung fu, what forms you would like to see?

Before you ask, yes. Yi Jin Jing will be one of them.

Thanks.
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Re: Shaolin Kung Fu forms and history videos

Postby brer_momonga » Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:07 pm

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Re: Shaolin Kung Fu forms and history videos

Postby John the Monkey mind » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:15 pm

Really cool idea Dvivid some of their non modern Wushu is grate and applications that are not Sanda kickboxing would be a breath of fresh air.

1. Vajra fist (fast and slow on one disk would be amazing and Vagra fists ancient roots are interesting to talk about and some Tai Chi people may also want the disk so potential market there)

2. Shaolin Xin Yi Men (I would love to know this style having seen some clips of Monk Shi De Jian a wile back)

3. Black Tiger (Very little out there on Tiger style and Shoalin Temple Black Tiger is a solid style and some of the Tiger exercises and Qi Gong are also very nice)

4. Yang-Family Spear (YMAA have no spear DVD's and its a nice form with no pole-vaulting if you can get the Monk to leave the floppy Wushu weapons at home)

5. Twisting root (Some of the Shaolin power developing stuff is really cool so anything like that, maybe Shaolin 13 postures?)

Shaolin Taizu is cool (some really old school long fist although as you already have the YMAA Taizu on disk maybe no point) and 18 Lohan is also good (Classic and solid).
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Re: Shaolin Kung Fu forms and history videos

Postby Monsoon » Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:19 pm

I would second tan tui and 18 lohan. These should, IMO, be on the curriculum of any serious CMA practitioner (especially tan tui).

Also, spear. Sold me on that one. I would love to learn a spear form.

Don't know enough about the other things mentioned. Unless YMAA wants to put out a series of disks that cover as many different styles and angles as possible.
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Re: Shaolin Kung Fu forms and history videos

Postby John the Monkey mind » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:04 pm

Monsoon wrote:I would second tan tui and 18 lohan. These should, IMO, be on the curriculum of any serious CMA practitioner (especially tan tui).


Tan Tui is on the Long Fist Basic Sequences disk :) I am learning Lian Bu Quan at the moment and have started on the foundation for the Tan Tui :)
http://ymaa.com/publishing/dvd/kungfu_D ... ungfu_DVD1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... YL2k#t=58s
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Re: Shaolin Kung Fu forms and history videos

Postby Dvivid » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:07 pm

John, we are thinking alike. Vajra Fist was the first thing I discussed with the authors. 18 Lohan for sure.

And, yes, we have published about Tan Tui previously, see the above link.

Will keep you all posted.
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Re: Shaolin Kung Fu forms and history videos

Postby Dvivid » Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:36 am

To keep this series on track with YMAA's mission of preserving the arts, I want to be sure that the forms included are traditional, and in some sort of sequence that pertains to how they were developed / the order in which students learn. Any help in researching this ancient history is appreciated.
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Re: Shaolin Kung Fu forms and history videos

Postby John the Monkey mind » Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:18 am

Dvivid wrote:To keep this series on track with YMAA's mission of preserving the arts, I want to be sure that the forms included are traditional, and in some sort of sequence that pertains to how they were developed / the order in which students learn. Any help in researching this ancient history is appreciated.


Vajra and Lohan are both old forms and advanced. Yang family spear is from the Northern Song so again very old. I think all of the forms above are advanced skills forms. Lohan may be the easier of the above to begin due to its direct nature.

I think much of current academic thinking points towards the famous fist styles emerging during the Ming or at least late Song.

Shaolin Staff was famous from before the Song but I don't know the current version that best reflects the ancient form. You could look at the 少林棍法闡宗 (Shao-Lin Gun-Fa Can-Zong) written in the Ming by by 程宗猷 (Cheng Zong You) to look for similarities. It was the style used to fight the Japanese pirates so it has a nice historical handle and seems suitable for beginners.

http://www.chineselongsword.com/ sell the translation of the historical manual.

Animal styles seem to be traditional and 5 animals perhaps the most ancient and maybe a good set for starting practice. Eagles claw supposedly also dates from the Song and may be approachable for beginners. The modern Shaolin Tiger form may not be that old.
General Qi Jiguang commander of the anti japanese pirate Ming army mentions Eagles claw, Yang family spear and Shaolin staff fighting as being among the famous styles of his day. He had his men trained in the Shaolin staff (initially by monks) and 32 posture boxing combined from boxing styles of his day (this may be the origin of the Tai Chi postures of the Chen family). Cheng Zong You mentioned above was one of his instructors (or may have been the son of his instructor but I forget).

I think Lohan/Vagra must be the oldest fist forms practiced at Shaolin/adopted by Shaolin and in terms of development the Shaolin staff is the oldest original Shaolin fighting skill and is talked about hundreds of years prior to Shaolin boxing is ever mentioned.
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