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Amaranth wrote:There is some natural tendencies to lash-out, and it seems to me that martial artists should have a better grasp on controlling these outbursts.
pete5770 wrote:I not so sure that martial artist's, simply because they are martial artist's, have any better (or worse) grasp on control than anyone else. People will be who they are and even though this idea of never using whatever skills you have, which we are always told from day one, is not a bad idea, it doesn't seem to really have any meaning to anyone other than being some noble ideal.
Sanfung wrote:I consider myself to be a very peaceful individual.
''caesar wrote:Really? In a former martial art, we even had scenario training where we would practice taking punches and kicks so that minimum damage would be felt. Our teacher was often talking about pacifist views and explained to us how it is often better to take a few hits instead of proving oneself that you "can defend/beat", this was where the question of human's ego comes to light.
That sounds interesting, was this just basic selfdefense?
caesar wrote:"how someone can practice martial arts and then claim they are non violent?"
Well that is what is called a Paradox, Selfdefense and Non-Violence is a Good Paradox.
Sanfung wrote: Having a certain set of skills never means that a certain individual actually wishes to be put into a situation where they would be required to use them.
pete5770 wrote:Sanfung wrote: Having a certain set of skills never means that a certain individual actually wishes to be put into a situation where they would be required to use them.
I don't follow what the point of learning something is, if you never use the skill. Isn't the reason you learn a skill so that you can put it to use? Why spend a ton of time practicing playing pool and
then never play a game? The history of martial arts through the ages is anything but warm, cuddly, and fuzzy like most on this forum seem to want it to be.
by pete5770 » Wed May 30, 2012 3:23 pm
I really don't follow how someone can practice martial arts and then claim they are non violent?
I don't follow what the point of learning something is, if you never use the skill. Isn't the reason you learn a skill so that you can put it to use?
caesar wrote:pete5770 wrote:Sanfung wrote: Having a certain set of skills never means that a certain individual actually wishes to be put into a situation where they would be required to use them.
I don't follow what the point of learning something is, if you never use the skill. Isn't the reason you learn a skill so that you can put it to use? Why spend a ton of time practicing playing pool and
then never play a game? The history of martial arts through the ages is anything but warm, cuddly, and fuzzy like most on this forum seem to want it to be.
Then please tell us Pete, that why is it that you train martial arts? You don't understand how:by pete5770 » Wed May 30, 2012 3:23 pm
I really don't follow how someone can practice martial arts and then claim they are non violent?
It seems then that you are ok with yourself being violent then? That's how you define yourself?
Here you say:I don't follow what the point of learning something is, if you never use the skill. Isn't the reason you learn a skill so that you can put it to use?
So your wish is to encounter a violent situation in the future so you could use your skill you have been training for 40 years?
You and many others here are the ones claiming you study martial arts to become more peaceful, warm, and all fuzzy feeling.
I really don't follow how someone can practice martial arts and then claim they are non violent?
The other part of all this, the non violent part, is simply something they are "supposed" to say.
pete5770 wrote:You and many others here are the ones claiming you study martial arts to become more peaceful, warm, and all fuzzy feeling. Not me. I like learning Tai Chi but I don't do it for some phony hippie blishful thing. If you want to be good and non violent and contibute to a kindler, more gentle world then study the Humanities, spend your spare time with charities, help the homeless, or whatever but don't give me the "I'm helping the world" speech because you're a martial artist and you study a violent art. No, most people are interested in a martial art strictly for themselves(selfish desire) and being known as a martial artist by friends and family(showing off). Look a little deeper into yourself and your reasons for studying martial arts, not at the shallow claims of some perfect world ideal.
Dvivid wrote:I think the recent Rory Miller books, like Meditations on Vilence and Facing Violence cover this subject very comprehensively.
He says some gems in this video trailer:
http://ymaa.com/publishing/bundles
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