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pete5770 wrote: My atitude is one of "prove it to me".
If someone can "cure or heal" me with Chi I eagerly await their making themselves known to me.
pete5770 wrote: To be honest my "prove it" or "show
me something" attitude is not asking very much, yet no one has ever stepped up and shown me anything that has changed my mind.
pete5770 wrote:In any persons life there is a limited amount of time. Myself, I have neither the inclination, time, or desire to try and find out if Bigfoot exists, if aliens visited earth, what happened to Atlantis, if the Bermuda Triangle actually has some "power", or if Qigong is anything more than a myth.
Many people search their whole lives for proof of one or another of these "ideas", for lack of a better word. I choose to do other things with the time in my life and if anyone comes up with a Bigfoot(other than out of focus, grainy photos), I say great and I'll believe in Bigfoot then. However, the odds of this happening, at least as I see it, are slim and none. Same thing for me with Qigong. To be honest, I feel, a lot of this type of thing is a "wild goose chase", resulting in years of frustration for whomever undertakes whatever they are searching for. Even on the off chance that some of these things do exist is simply not enough for me to plunge blindly into myth and ledgend about something that doesn't really interest me. Even if true, Bigfoot is not something I'm going to arrange my life around. Same with Qigong. Despite all the talk of Chi it has always seemed to me like the people telling you about it were lying, for whatever reasons.
Way to unclear as to what they were trying to tell me, too many quotes from this or that master,
no two descriptions of Chi seem to match, it's all over the charts as to what it can do(basically everything or so we're told), and everyone, and I mean everyone, who does Tai Chi claims to have "felt the Chi move in me". Everyone, that is, except one of my instructors and myself.
Myself, I have neither the inclination, time, or desire to try and find out if... Qigong is anything more than a myth.
Dvivid wrote:I don't want to be a jerk about this, sincerely. Its just that it is such a broken record in the internal martial arts community. I agree with the sentiment that people did not understand anatomy and such 300 years ago. In fact, Dr. Yang mentioned that in China even only 100 years ago 99.9% of people could not read or write.
But, I do think this is an important subject that I've seen 100's of times and wish that some common ground could be struck in understanding what we're discussing.
The point is: Qi = energy. Your body's cells have a life energy within them. Call it what you like. If we can't agree on that, it is not possible to have an intelligent adult conversation.
Western medical science describes it in many ways, depending upon which way they are analyzing it. Chemically, units of energy are "ATP". Molecules, which are made of atoms, which are made of...?
Electrically, they discuss brainwave frequencies and ion channels, measured by an EEG and MRI or other devices that measure energy and magnetic fields.
Realize that these NEW fields of Western research are all talking about energy, and a lot of the research mirrors what internal martial artists have been discussing for centuries.
We metabolize energy and we inhale ions with every breath. This is Qi.
pete5770 wrote: Sorry, but I promised I wouldn't question Qiging any more. Apparently just asking for proof is something akin to saying that I don't believe in God during the preachers sermon.
This really brings up another question. Why does everyone "....protest too much methinks"? Could I be threatening your beliefs? Or causing you to question them? And this makes you very uncomfortable?
Do you really believe all this or have you simply talked myself into it? Or have you made a whole lot more of something than it actually is? You know, mountains from molehills? I have found that most people are very passionate about being "true believers" if you will, yet when they tell me about this Chi it never seems to ring true. It's as if they really, really want this to be true, then they can tell people about this power they have and then they will feel better about themselves, but because they are really not sure it never comes off as anything that "rings true".
wpgtaiji wrote:
hmm.. bloody qigong is working. Ordinarily, i would have just called doubters morons and went that way (check my other posts if you dont believe me). dam qigong! It has mellowed me out...
pete5770 wrote:I'm not supposed to write about or question Qigong anymore, so mellow is the word.
chh wrote:wpgtaiji,
Dvivid just gave me a welcoming, civil response, and I was happy to leave the discussion at that. Your post was a step backwards, as it was insulting and failed to address the actual nature of the discussion. I think this message board should generally be a place for people to share the enormous wealth of knowledge about CMA and qigong that its members have collected, so I'm not interested in filling it with a bunch of stuff about why people do scientific research. The bottom line with that topic is that proposals that make specific, testable claims that don't automatically follow from what we already know about the world should be tested before they're recognized as justified in scientific and clinical contexts (and qigong says more than just "qi exists"). I wasn't saying anything more aggressive than that, and I think you must have misunderstood something.
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