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What action is best?

Postby Rakyat » Tue May 03, 2005 7:23 am

What would you do if you were the guy being attacked?

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Postby Walter Wong » Tue May 03, 2005 8:24 am

I only saw the first few seconds and saw the guy kicking the guy sitting down like 5 times in the head and the video froze.

Anyways, if I see and sense a threat coming at me like that, raise my left forearm to block the head kick, attempt to wrap my arm around his leg immediately upon his kick making contact and trap his leg, get up off of the bench shoving my right palm from under his chin pushing his head to bend back and kick out his supporting leg and put him down on the ground. Even if I miss the leg trap after blocking, he still wasn't in stance so I would've put my all into a heel kick thrusting back into his stomach pushing myself against the bench for support. There are many things to follow up with. I'll do what I can to take the "fight" out of this guy if he's still wanting to try to knock me out. If he gives in right away or once he gives in, then I stop cause I'm only looking out to keep myself from getting hurt.

Another note is the aggressor's kicks were pretty slow and not much power. His first kick should've knocked out or did some considerable amount of damage to the guy sitting down if his kick was done well and the guy sitting down wasn't giving much resistance so he could've gave his best kick. But obviously, that probably was his best. Cause after several kicks and the guy is still able. But obviously the kicks wasn't much of kicks as the guy sitting was still awake and conscious and if he was not so afraid, he would've at least kick back or get up or something. Cause once a fight starts, it is "ON" and you have to do something. If you are caught unable to run away right away like that, you at least should rough up the guy before running away if you couldn't run away immediately. Fighting in general is never really worth it. Just avoid fighting if you can.
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Postby Mathdebator » Tue May 03, 2005 9:04 am

I got the impression that the guy that was kicking and punching the other, wasn't trying to knock him out or seriously injure him right then. Rather, I felt like it was more along the lines of bullying, that he was trying either to embarass or humiliate the one sitting down, or to provoke a fight.
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Postby Walter Wong » Tue May 03, 2005 9:07 am

Mathdebator wrote:I got the impression that the guy that was kicking and punching the other, wasn't trying to knock him out or seriously injure him right then. Rather, I felt like it was more along the lines of bullying, that he was trying either to embarass or humiliate the one sitting down, or to provoke a fight.

Well, even it was just to embarrass him, the guy sitting on the bench should have met him with as much resistance as possible.

Cut them down hard and fast and not even give them a chance to breathe.
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Postby BaguaMonk » Tue May 03, 2005 7:05 pm

Watching that made me angry, boy the audacity of someone coming up and thrust kicking me in the face while I'm sitting with a girl would seriously make me hurt the guy. If a guy hit me like that and it didn't knock me out, or even do that much damage, then he is in big trouble. If I saw it coming , even if kind of late I would hope that I would be be able to move my head (because blocking with such sudden action is difficult) and then move in directly either to take him down or crush his manhood with a fist or a kick of my own. But more than likely I would do whatever it takes to show him not to do that again.
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Postby Mathdebator » Tue May 03, 2005 9:30 pm

I don't know...he has a lot of space to get the **** out of there, if he can break free. If he can't break out though, it'll be tough. Too much resistance could turn it into a real fight...not just a real fight, but a 5v1 fight, and possibly with weapons. If he has a good deal of training, then he might be able to could hold his own in un-armed combat, but if weapons come into play... Not reacting might eventually give him that chance to drop someone and run.
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Postby Patbirder » Tue May 03, 2005 11:22 pm

Crazy!
I wonder if the kickee was drunk. Sounded like they were speaking a Slavic language- likely Russian. Would be cool to get some translation on this. Maybe the guys know each other? Looks like a beef over something and not just random violence.
"beef over soemthing"- now thats a silly expression.
Anyways, I like Walters tactics although it would be best to get the heck out of there since we dont know if the other guys have a gun. Would probably be easy to attack the groin of the kicker and if you had practiced enough, maybe take on the other guys too.
-Or trap the leg of the kicker then use Chin na controlling techniques to subdue while using him as a shield so you and your girl could get away from those wackos.

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Postby Walter Wong » Wed May 04, 2005 7:47 am

BaguaMonk wrote:Watching that made me angry, boy the audacity of someone coming up and thrust kicking me in the face while I'm sitting with a girl would seriously make me hurt the guy. If a guy hit me like that and it didn't knock me out, or even do that much damage, then he is in big trouble. If I saw it coming , even if kind of late I would hope that I would be be able to move my head (because blocking with such sudden action is difficult) and then move in directly either to take him down or crush his manhood with a fist or a kick of my own. But more than likely I would do whatever it takes to show him not to do that again.

I agree blockin would be difficult. I would move my head over to the side if I could and combined with the block or at least move my head over if I miss the block.

I hear you. If the first kick don't knock me out either, I'm taking him down hard and fast.
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Postby scramasax57 » Wed May 04, 2005 6:59 pm

ow.

first off, the victim was obviously under the influence of something. look at the way he reacts to being hit. even though he's speaking a different language, listen to they way he speaks it: slow, deliberate, slightly slurred. and being on anything is going to heighten your pain threshold as well as impair your judgement abilities, so counter attacking or running away may not have occured to him.

it's a good guess these guys knew each other. just their manner with each other, the way the attacker would squat down, talk to him for a bit, then slap him around. my personal guess is the victim screwed something up, lost money for everyone, and now they're asking him what the hell happened.

the kicks were more shoves, meant to push his head forcefully into the wall rather than do primary damage on impact, but i still wouldnt want to block them. best bet in my opinion, given the sitting position of the victim and respectable speed of the kicks, is cover up boxer style, take it on the forearms, then explode upward and forward as the kick is retracting. that way the kicker is off balance and unsuspecting.
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Postby OnlyMe » Thu May 05, 2005 9:56 am

If I was the kid sitting, I would direct the kick into the girl's face and then shout out loud that "he is beating a woman", and then watch all the guys around him kick the dren out of him. He'll get arrested, go to jail, become some inmate's toy, all without having to throw a punch. The art of fighting without fighting. :twisted: :lol:

Nah, seriously that was just two drunk guys fighting. The kicks didnt hurt and he look like a goof falling down. Ah, what beer will make you do.
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Postby BaguaMonk » Fri May 06, 2005 4:27 am

lol.

I would still get pissed if someone shoved a foot in my face and kicked/pushed me.
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Postby Walter Wong » Fri May 06, 2005 8:11 am

BaguaMonk wrote:lol.

I would still get pissed if someone shoved a foot in my face and kicked/pushed me.

You'll never like me. That's how I greet people. :lol:

Just kiddin. :P My sense of humor is sometimes twisted. Image
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Postby John Noonan » Mon May 09, 2005 4:07 pm

Yeah, i remember the first time walter kicked me in the face...it's everything after that i can't recall...


Anyways, i woulda either walked away, or knocked his punk *** out. Lets see how well he front kicks when he's on the pavement.
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Postby zipwolf » Fri May 13, 2005 12:30 pm

ok, i would have kicked his groin repeatedly. Kicking people in the face like that is not on.
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