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Phalanxpursos wrote:Greetings people.
Question:
I've practiced Martial Arts and wondered if people are being triggered into aggression more easily because they practice martial arts, so basically how is your aggression in daily life? Are you easily triggered into aggression because you practice martial arts, or are you more the responsible type who avoids aggressive behavior?
I've used my martial arts briefly for selfdefense a couple of times, but I engaged with sparring on the street on invitation. The real fights I had lasted very short and I won, the sparring I did on the street lasted for a long time and they were all draws. But I must admit that me practicing martial arts upgraded my self-confidence which resulted in a bigger ego, one time I had an aggressive fight in a bar. Of course was it in self defense, but with aggression comes justice. I became expelled from a bar for fighting, eventhough it was in selfdefense.
Conclusion:
I think it is better to follow a path of non-violence, even if you use martial arts for self defense can it turn against you. Non-violence is a path of responsibility, the key issue here is to use self defense as a last resort. You should give morality and withdrawal a fair chance, if you can't withdraw or use morality then give martial arts a better chance.
You should give Withdrawal a bigger priority.
I really don't follow how someone can practice martial arts and then claim they are non violent?
"how someone can practice martial arts and then claim they are non violent?"
"practicing a martial art, makes you more violent"
The other part of all this, the non violent part, is simply something they are "supposed" to say.
caesar wrote: Also martial arts with "soft approach" will give a practitioner better chance to neutralize opponent(s) without doing serious damage, although this is of course high level stuff...
I really don't follow the logic when asking:"how someone can practice martial arts and then claim they are non violent?"
...do you then also make the assumption that"practicing a martial art, makes you more violent"
Does practicing survival and techniques make you violent? I think, that being a "violent person" needs much more than going to a dojo.
pete5770 wrote:As for "practicing a martial..... more violent". I don't believe I said that.
pete5770 wrote:I really don't follow how someone can practice martial arts and then claim they are non violent?
As for "practicing a martial..... more violent". I don't believe I said that.
First off I don't buy this so called "soft" thing as better. It is simply ANOTHER WAY of doing things.
Well, how can someone practice methods of doing damage to another person and claim to be "non violent"? Oh yeah, I practice hurting people BUT I'm really peace loving. Makes sense to me.
how is your aggression in daily life? Are you easily triggered into aggression because you practice martial arts, or are you more the responsible type who avoids aggressive behavior?
chh wrote:I think Pete is using a pretty standard sense of 'non-violent' in his comments, at least it's the one I'm most familiar with. Specifically: if there exists some hypothetical situation in which you'd be willing to use violence, you're not 'non-violent' under this definition. Martial arts practitioners who are interested in what they're studying can't really be non-violent in this sense, unless they are just also unusually interested in spending their time learning something they will never ever use. I think dictionaries also often tend towards that definition.
It seems like everyone else engaging in this part of the discussion is thinking of a different sense, in which 'non-violent' means 'not aggressive', or 'preferring not to use violence if possible'. This is a perfectly fine interpretation of 'non-violent' too, but it's obviously different, and I don't think there's a point in arguing about the topic unless everyone's on the same page about that.
I don't know whether practicing martial arts tends to make people more confrontational or less, but people have given both answers in this thread, so it can clearly go both ways! Personally, I've never been in a fight before or after starting martial arts training, and I've never tried to physically intimidate someone, so I can't really say which is the case for me.
Sanfung wrote: The human capacity for evil knows no bounds. If no one ever stood up to that evil then society would have collapsed a long time ago.
ag·gres·sion
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noun
1.
the action of a state in violating by force the rights of another state, particularly its territorial rights; an unprovoked offensive, attack, invasion, or the like: The army is prepared to stop any foreign aggression.
2.
any offensive action, attack, or procedure; an inroad or encroachment: an aggression upon one's rights.
3.
the practice of making assaults or attacks; offensive action in general.
4.
Psychiatry . overt or suppressed hostility, either innate or resulting from continued frustration and directed outward or against oneself.
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swift and intense force: the violence of a storm.
2.
rough or injurious physical force, action, or treatment: to die by violence.
3.
an unjust or unwarranted exertion of force or power, as against rights or laws: to take over a government by violence.
4.
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rough or immoderate vehemence, as of feeling or language: the violence of his hatred.
Josh Young wrote:ag·gres·sion
noun
1.
the action of a state in violating by force the rights of another state, particularly its territorial rights; an unprovoked offensive, attack, invasion, or the like: The army is prepared to stop any foreign aggression.
violence
noun
an unjust or unwarranted exertion of force or power, as against rights or laws: to take over a government by violence.
pete5770 wrote:I really don't follow how someone can practice martial arts and then claim they are non violent?
It's like having a strong Army and then telling everyone what a peace loving nation you are.
Brian wrote:Personally, I would not conclude that martial arts, per se, trigger aggressive behaviour but that it lies deeper in the psyche of the individual (who might also be a martial artist) in how he/she reacts to violent situations. If it is in your nature to be aggressive, then your nature will lead. The ethos of martial arts today lies more in the 'way of the peaceful warrior' than that existing when they were first developed.
Brian wrote:A pity you didn't come to that conclusion BEFORE you engaged in the street 'invitation' fights. Remember...'violence begets violence'.
caesar wrote:Really? In a former martial art, we even had scenario training where we would practice taking punches and kicks so that minimum damage would be felt. Our teacher was often talking about pacifist views and explained to us how it is often better to take a few hits instead of proving oneself that you "can defend/beat", this was where the question of human's ego comes to light.
pete5770 wrote:Well, how can someone practice methods of doing damage to another person and claim to be "non violent"? Oh yeah, I practice hurting people BUT I'm really peace loving. Makes sense to me.
As for "practicing a martial..... more violent". I don't believe I said that.
brer_momonga wrote:as far as martial arts fueling aggression in an aggressive person - I would say it depends on the discipline of the student and the leadership of the school.
caesar wrote:"how someone can practice martial arts and then claim they are non violent?"
Sanfung wrote:Professor Cheng Man-ching wrote, "As you grow more relaxed, you become less afraid. As you become less afraid you grow more relaxed."
Sanfung wrote:Blaise Pascal wrote, " Justice without force is powerless; force without justice is tyranny."
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