is sparring usefull for fighting ???

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Postby Tandem Car Park » Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:32 am

While sparring may not mimic all real life encounters, it will allow you to develop the sensitivity, timing, and distance that will allow you to execute your techniques on a fully-resisting opponent. It is also useful for the emotional/psychologocal benefits.
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Postby mookie » Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:11 pm

I am a kung fu practitioner, but I train alot of Mixed Martial Arts guys. As far as sparring, I'll usually have them work a technique or two and then we'll go live focusing on integrating those techniques. Regarding competition, it really boils down to the same thing working a few techniques to defeat your opponent. This weekend one of my fighters had a professional boxing match, his first one, what I saw the main event fighters doing was just this, working a few selected techniques and bringing them to the ring. An added note, the ugly boring fights mentioned above are people who are inexperienced. Mixed Martial Arts has matured in my area just in the last year and a half or so and it used to look really ugly, but as fighters got more experienced and comfortable, you can begin to observe the technique and beauty, you spoke of. A message to the guy who wanted to do some MMA fighting, you'll really have to learn your Jiu Jitsu. Those guys will eat you alive on the ground if you don't. It doesn't take that long to get yourself adept and you can spar safely at a full go level.
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Postby William » Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:18 pm

New here registered some time ago never posted (or if I did I forgot Im good like that) I think I will ressurect what appears a dead topic

But as far as sparring goes take a look at this http://www.dojoofthefourwinds.com/sparring.html


Works well, Just gotta keep the Want of Victory out and get the need for getting better in. Allows one to practice what normally they couldnt in sparring situations

Just keep ego out
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Postby DOM » Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:54 am

excellent artical,and an excellent statement about sparring.The artical about sparring in Systema seems to practice and have the same principles and goals as Tai Chi push hands and fighting set but in an none predetermined manner;[sparring].In Japanese and Okinawan Karate it would be called Renshu kumite[prearranged sparring] done systematically;starting out slowly and proggresivly leading to combat speed. Ippon kumite[single step sparring]Fukuski kumite[multiple step sparring] and Randori kumite [free sparring].What a lot of people do not underdstand is that even Randori kumite[ free sparring] is to be done in a none compeditive manner just as you stated.There is another form of sparring left to that;call a Shiai [ competition]were one is to test there skills and training.In forms training this type of training would be conciderd Bunkai Waza[the meaning and pracice of the techniques in kata[forms]
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Postby William » Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:37 pm

Exactly, Slow sparring is infinitely useful, the Body/Sympathetic Nervous System cannot tell the difference between speeds. It can only see physics.

It also trains one to fight with correct intent because if there is aggression in the training, you become tense and break the laws of physics thusly nullifying the training.

I personally like working at roughly 50% speed while my partner comes at me 100%

Actually what got me into it in the first place though, wasn't even for the combatives it was simply a means of increasing my Awareness/Intent. The ability to protect came as a happy surprise.
I actually prefer the arts of healing (Reiki/Joh-Rei/Qi Gong/Yoga). Once I get good at these things I will step my combatives up a notch. Healing/Combatives share the same intent with this one

please forgive my ugly writing style

Also DOM thanks for your reply this has been educational and you seem to have a great deal of Knowledge. looking forward to many more insights.
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Postby SunTzu » Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:13 pm

My view on this is as follows:

The most important aspect of sparring is what you have done before starting with sparring in the first place. Here meaning, one has to have a solid base to rely on (read: strength and flexibility etc.).

Click here for an article which was supposed to be included in this post but being quite lengthy and a bit offtopic, I guess it's better to open another topic on it there.

The purpose of sparring is (as mentioned) to prepare the student gradually to a real battle. There, the student can learn to apply the principles (and techniques) that he learned before during the drills.
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Another Usefull Article By Arthur Sennott

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Postby misterwhite » Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:07 am

Training with a sparring component is vital. Even though it doesn't match the reality of a street fight (nothing ever will) free sparring gives you the following:


it teaches you to take a hit. Everyone gets hurt in sparring at some time no matter how much padding you have on. This was particularly true in the 1960's and 1970's when the only padding we wore was a cup and mouthpiece and relied on strangers to use control.


It helps with reaction time. Even if the guy you are sparring against isn't out to kill you, you get the opportunity to see combinations coming at you.


It teaches you to breathe. I can't tell you how many experienced sparring partners I have had who have blacked out because of the fear they have locking up their breathing paterns .. .they are holding their breath without knowing it. It doesn't take too many of these episodes before you learn not to hold your breath and you start to relax. You DO NOT want to hold your breath in a street fight.


You are less likely to "freeze" in a street situation (what Takuan Soho calls the stopping mind) if you have some experience sparring. It isn't a guarantee that you won't. But you will most certainly freeze if you have not had someone punching and kicking you hard.


It is an opportunity to practice eye-hand coordination against a moving target. A chance to practice combos against a reacting target.


and so many many more.
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Postby skaters » Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:48 am

For a master of martial arts, sparring is useful because this is another way of fighting.
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