Traditional Martial Arts Applications vs. 'MMA'

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Re: Traditional Martial Arts Applications vs. 'MMA'

Postby John the Monkey mind » Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:21 am

yat_chum wrote:It's an interesting point that Master Hisham makes that it's mixed martial arts yet everyone fights the same style.


Kill Arman at Shaolin Temple from the same TV series as mentioned by John. (Sorry can't find an English subbed version)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcMUBd1Kouc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xujeQG8iz-E


An interesting comment on the Shoalin temple as it is post Peoples Republic

I trained at shaolin Temple and wrote a book, The Monk from Brooklyn, about my experience. It is tough training there. but other than the san da team NO ONE learns ANY fighting at all. and even just with my boxing skills i was able to beat all nearly all of the students fighting. if you add MMA, ground fight, they would stand NO CHANCE at all. there is NO ground fighting at Shaolin. There are some san da schools, and those guys fight well.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHfK6eeMTkA
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Re: Traditional Martial Arts Applications vs. 'MMA'

Postby yat_chum » Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:40 am

I have posted this video before but if you haven't seen it it's about the experience of Christian priest as he visits the Shaolin Temple.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2027966161
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Re: Traditional Martial Arts Applications vs. 'MMA'

Postby John the Monkey mind » Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:53 am

yat_chum wrote:I have posted this video before but if you haven't seen it it's about the experience of Christian priest as he visits the Shaolin Temple.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2027966161


Yes I love this film. Monk Shi Dejian in the above video at his mountain retread has some really genuine skill.
Another video about him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-49jJMLf2GQ
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Re: Traditional Martial Arts Applications vs. 'MMA'

Postby John the Monkey mind » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:14 am

If you read "American Shaolin" http://www.amazon.co.uk/American-Shaoli ... 649&sr=8-1 you get a good idea of what it was like at the start of its revival. I think the monks then might have been more skilled than the latter crop as they started recruiting adults from Wushu squads to make up the numbers according to the book as this it was he found when he returned after a few years. The original crop of monks apparently new applications and could use it but they did not teach them or practise them and were only focused on their work as a display team. Apparently the American author is the one to blame for the San Da focuse as he used his position as a long term paying student to leverage Shaolin San Da training as he could not fight. Still this may have shifted focus from what was needed, a shift to traditional combat training.

Almost all the original crop of post Peoples Republic martial monks in the book are in this film.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkjxbqth ... ture=mv_sr
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Re: Traditional Martial Arts Applications vs. 'MMA'

Postby Dvivid » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:50 pm

I have to say Cung Le seems to be representing traditional arts within the MMA setting pretty well. He doesn't have much of the ego and facade yo see with other fighters.
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Re: Traditional Martial Arts Applications vs. 'MMA'

Postby John the Monkey mind » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:49 pm

BBJ ground fighting can deal with real life threats and knives...... If they out number the opponents two to one lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=Hnc ... =endscreen
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Re: Traditional Martial Arts Applications vs. 'MMA'

Postby John the Monkey mind » Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:46 pm

MMA V Ninjutsu - Nasty Stuff!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbVlz-EcLRE

I like the historical research this guy does from real original documents. His main discovery seems to be that Ninjutsu is not a fighting art as such but a set of other skills (martial arts in the broader sense than actual had to hand fighting) that Samurai trained in addition to fighting skills. He has had a large number of historic manuals translated and published. Most people in the Ninjutsu world seem to hate him for it.

I think the fact that TMA and MMA often have totally different objectives or purposes is worth keeping in mind.
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Re: Traditional Martial Arts Applications vs. 'MMA'

Postby John the Monkey mind » Fri May 10, 2013 6:25 pm

The Ground. The Dirty, Filthy, Dangerous Ground

http://ymaa.com/articles/2013/04/the-gr ... ous-ground

Highly relevant when talking MMA for self defense.
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