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Got any clips of Taiqi men in UFC?

Postby hairy fingers » Sat Dec 17, 2005 9:42 pm

I saw a taiqi fighter compete years ago.
Anybody got any footage of any fights?
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Postby Eddard Stark » Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:29 pm

There have been no Tai Chi fighters in the UFC. The only IMA guy that I'm aware of was in the UFC Puerto Rico and claimed to train Ba Gua (I think he mixed both Cantonese and Mandarin spellings calling is Pa Gua or something). He later came clean that he just said the first art that came to his mind and he was just a brawler. He got owned in about 8 seconds in his only fight.

There have been a couple Wing Chun/Wing Tzun guys there that haven't faired so well. The TMA guy that has faired the best was some Ninjutsu practitioner that won one of the early tourney's as an alternate.

If you go to MMA.tv's forum, there is a Tai Chi practitioner that goes by the handle of "Shooter" that has cross-trained MMA and has fought professionally using Tai Chi. He was never in any big shows, but at least he'd have some insight about how to train for live environments. There is also a group called Shen Wu run out of California by Tim Cartmell. They are Tai Chi/Ba Gua/Hsing-I people that cross-train BJJ and spar MMA style.
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Postby zipwolf » Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:38 pm

On dragonslist there is a guy who i believe trains with MMA fighter (and arch nemesis o' mine in a satirical fashion) Cam McHargue who goes by the handle StormMountain who has used Tai Chi often in MMA. (If he doesn't train with Cam, then he trains with someone else, but he does do MMA regardless). Not a UFC level player mind you.
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Postby Anthony Dougherty » Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:47 pm

I am wanting to become a professional fighter in order to fund my school I want to open. At the time I have no formal teachings only self taught so I am hopeing to train at the Boston HQ. When I compete I will use Taji and Chin Na.
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Postby DOM » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:26 pm

First of all do have any idea of what it takes to be able to fight like that?You have to really injoy hurting peaple and enjoy getting hurt your self.Battles like those in the ufc could take months to heel from.You have to be hard,flexable and have exstrem indurance.The training you will get there is some of the best,but to compet with taichi and qinna against ufc fighters,will take 10 to 20 years every day for hours.You will also have to test what you learn often and in a simular manner against those as equally skilled or better as the guys competing in the ufc.If this is your goal head off to the mountains with Master Yang for 10 years.
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tools for MMA

Postby yeniseri » Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:13 pm

For MMA, Taiji and Chee nah would be ineffective because many taiji guys lack the cardiovascular conditioning to go through theose 3 rounds.
If you really insist on CMA, shuaijiao training would be in order so you have to be realistic on your goals and you had better be fast if you are applying Chee nah.
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Postby SunTzu » Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:36 pm

Anthony Dougherty wrote:I am wanting to become a professional fighter in order to fund my school I want to open. At the time I have no formal teachings only self taught so I am hopeing to train at the Boston HQ. When I compete I will use Taji and Chin Na.


hahahah ... more power to you then ! :lol:

But I guess you have more chance at Comedycentral or the likes. :shock:
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Postby leighspost » Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:15 pm

I would like to see that!

Might be worth going to a few classes before deciding on a professional career as a fighter.

Self taught fighters tend only to win shadow boxing contests.
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Postby lilman » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:40 pm

I see a lot of people laugh at the concept of using Taiji in a professional fight. The term taichi is actually translated into grand ultimate fist. You use your enemies muscle power/endurance against them.. I dont see any reason someone well conditioned could beat a ufc fighter easily using taichi. If you ever watch those fights, the opponents measure each other up on thier feet and then attempt a take down to get into ground fighting, or throw wild punches and kicks, since there are no rules agianst chin na, it would be easy to neutralize and put your opponent on the floor using a number of tai chi chuan techniques. And with chin na expertise, it would be easy to get the opponent into a submission hold. i.e. use rollback then the beast choker (sleeper hold with legs wrapped around waist), when opponent bends down to take you down use fist under elbow with elbow 45 degree angle in center of back. It just depends on the taichi students ability to neutralize and capitalize on a superior position. And if you know an escape to the beast choker without being able to put your foot behind your head standing up to kick the opponent in the head and knock them out, pls let me know. Oh, and the reason most Taichi practitioners dont participate in events like that is that its mainly a daoist art. You should not practice Taichi for fortune and fame but for self defense, longevity, and spiritual enlightenment. Theres nothing wrong with competing in these competitions, its just dont do it for the wrong reasons and know when your ready, and know when to quit. Just cuz you practice Taichi doesnt make you invincible.
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reply to Anthony D.

Postby jfraser » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:26 am

A real person, with somekind of skill, in a fight does not stay in one place while you apply your qinna and WILL resist any efforts you do to apply same, and may really hurt you in the process. Your enemy, be it an experienced street fighter, a boxer, martial artist or grappler, will not stand there while you apply your TJQ techniques or qinna, The will be on the constant move to avoid your attacks and to get an advantagous position whereby they can really hurt you or kill you. And there is the TJQ saying that says unless you have 10 years competant training for ten years don't even think of coming out of (your teacher's walled courtyard, like in old China) and getting into a fight, because you will get hurt bad or die.

Thinking you can use TJQ in a fight after a couple of years classes, is like going to graduate school in physics, before you have graduated from junior high school.

Please re-consider your fantacies from reality for your own health and well-being.
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Postby lilman » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:59 am

:-) That is true, but experience is the best teacher. Honestly I havent been doing Taichi long, but I have used it against grapplers in sparring, boxers, karate practitioners, and streetfighters with esperience. oh, and one guy that fights muy thai with positive results. The theories alone behind Taichi are good enough to beat most external styles. But still, without experience using it agianst other forms its definately not a good idea to jump in without testing the waters. 10 years in not necessary for self defense.
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10 years before emerging fromthe "court yard"...

Postby jfraser » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:52 am

10 years is not required for self defense, but being able to use TJQ with skill whereby it retains the charactistics and principles of TJQ takes a lot of practice and a very competent and open teacher, of which there are few, IMHO. Sure you can study Xing Yi Quan for a year and hurt someone or use it in some self defense situations. Tai Chi takes much longer.
:) :wink: :roll:
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Postby lilman » Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:17 am

That is definately true, it does take longer to get proficient in Taichi than probably any other martial art. But it can definately be used in profesional tournaments. :-) From my personal experisnce though, I dont think it necassarily will take 10 years.
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Postby dissidente » Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:51 am

Even after the decade of in-doors Taiji, you still need to research with other stylists before becoming a true Taiji fighter.

"Sure you can study Xing Yi Quan for a year and hurt someone or use it in some self defense situations."
The saying goes, Xingyi - 3 years, Bagua - 5, Taiji - 10. Though I won't assert historical authority, the Xingyi used in the military was modified to accelerate combat competence and teach in large groups. It was also practiced in harder form and included much shui jiao. Bagua was also modified for security service personnel.
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