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tman108 wrote:A quick question for you guys. I've been a moderate practitioner of Qi Gong for many years. I've probably read just about all there is to read on transforming Jing to Qi and Qi to Shen etc...
tman108 wrote: I realize I still haven't eliminated all desires.
/\tman108 wrote:Hey Joe,
Thanks for your candid reply. It's probably just a non issue for me as well (no pun intended) . I also have a gorgeous wife and am just attempting to adapt to my own life situation while keeping my cultivation a top priority. I believe it is true that over time, it is just a question of literally transforming beyond the individual body/mind into a more spiritual existence and things will work themselves out naturally as cultivation continues.
wpgtaiji wrote:
I ask because I learned it the other way. Jing is the USEABLE form of Qi. Qi is electricity, but in order for it to do actual work, it must be condensed into Jing. Since i havent read "all there is to read" on the subject, I wonder where you got your info from? Thanks
tman108 wrote:Hey Ceasar,
Good one... you got me No it's not really my desire to be rid of desires. There is just this play of energies going on. Through a certain filter it looks like a body with desires, desiring to have no desires... but I know that's not really the case. The reality is just layers of being, witnessing, pretending to change and the absolute reality behind it all. I'm just pretending to banter on forums for no particular reason
tman108 wrote:WPGtaiji,
Most of the Taoist methods of cultivation describe achieving "immortality" as the highest goal that exists. In pursuit of that goal, most instructions describe the process of transforming jing to qi and qi to shen. When we achieve states of more refined shen physical desires begin to drop. Desires period begin to drop. This is the equivalent of Enlightenment, Self Realization etc. It is interesting that Taoism portrays the need to transform the ingredients into an elixir that becomes the "Golden Embryo" or immortal body, whereas other traditions posit that our divine nature is all that really exists (at all times) and everything else is the illusion. In Advaita Vedanta for instance, there is no idea of anything to transform or create; only the disentangling of the mind from its illusory bonds.
wpgtaiji wrote:I also tend to do methods where mind manipulation is kept to a minimum. Why? So we dont focus on these "big feelings"!!
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