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Postby Urgeist » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:15 am

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Postby joeblast » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:58 am

What stuff's he been doing? Certain meditations have contraindications where mental imbalances are concerned.
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Re: Qigong and Schizophrenia

Postby yeniseri » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:42 pm

Urgeist wrote:A friend of mine is schizophrenic. His symptoms are mild but still there. We go to the same martial arts school. He recently started Qigong, but says that it gives him psychotic symptoms. I know that there is a danger of Qigong Psychosis for people who practice very intensely. Should he be doing qigong? Is it dangerous for him? Perhaps he should speak to a TCM practitioner?


Hard to tell!
Qigong requiring visualization, thinking of channel/meridians,etc and too many instruction to recall (i.e. perceived index of effort-mental) MAY trigger episodes. It is better to stick with raise hand, turn left/right as a beginning tool.
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Postby Urgeist » Mon May 03, 2010 12:56 pm

joeblast wrote:What stuff's he been doing? Certain meditations have contraindications where mental imbalances are concerned.


I dont know the name of the form we learned. However, it involved visualizing Qu running from the face down the chest / torso feet into the big toes. Visualization the returns to the (side of) the head imagining Qi running down the neck, shoulders, arms and into the thumbs. Visualizastion then rturns to the (back of the) head, imagining Qi running along the back, back legs and into the feet. This is called the "three lines relaxation". The form the continues with a visualization, imagining one is walking through a park and relaxing until one reaches a pond with a lotus in it. This lotus is then imaging to go from imaginary pond in front of one into the dantien. This takes about 5 minutes. The practitioner imagines the lotus in the dantien expand and contract whilst one moves ones hands in from towardsand away fro each other. This produces a strong feeling of qi presence and this is also what is said to strengthen the qi in the body. The meditation is concluded with running the qi from the dantient, through the anus, back past the iron gate into the head and bak into the dantiend. The form then ends.
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Postby Urgeist » Mon May 03, 2010 1:15 pm

Also, would a TCM practitioner be worth visiting?
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Postby joeblast » Mon May 03, 2010 2:42 pm

I'd think visualization stuff would be contraindicated, but I'm not an authority on that stuff. People with any mental imbalances should be doing the simple stuff, running energy in the head seems to just make imbalances worse. That's not to say it isnt possible to push through them, someone I know did so but it was through great and sustained effort and...would spontaneously take months off from work at a time, stuff like that. Personally I wouldnt recommend it, but again I'm no expert :)
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Postby yeniseri » Mon May 03, 2010 5:51 pm

Urgeist wrote:Also, would a TCM practitioner be worth visiting?


Mental illness is a serious problem and without the diagnosis of an allopathic practitioner (MD, DO) it would be impossible to indicate the severity of the condition. If visiting a TCM specialist, that individual must have some type of mental health experience as opposed to a generalist TCM practitioern who has no clue about mential illness.
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Postby joeblast » Tue May 04, 2010 7:01 am

I dunno about impossible, but when you have a complex problem it is best to survey it from many angles. Since a TCM doc would be more inclined to work with/around an allopathic diagnosis, it might not be a bad idea to hit it from both sides and see a TCM doc after an allopathic diagnosis in this case.
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Postby dmattwads » Wed May 05, 2010 11:37 am

While I am not schizophrenic, I did however mainly get involved in Qigong for emotional balance. When I began Qigong I was mostly approaching it from the meditative side, and that did not really seem to do much for me emotionally. Later I began to do more of the physical qigong movements and exercises which did help me. I like the way that the mind and body are considered one in TCM and one can be accessed through the other.
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