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yi jin jing & 8 Brocades

Postby vvanesse59 » Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:01 pm

Been reading Dr. Yang's book "Qigong, the Secret of Youth" which is yi jin jing and xi sui jing qigong. Havent gotten into studying yet but beginning to understand the potential dangers especially in the xi sui jing.
My question for now is really rather simple I think: Is the 8 brocades another dynamic qigong of very similar goals. As I understand it, yi jin jing and 8 Brocades both deal with the meridians. Does anyone understand more in depth as to why one should begin yijin jing? One thing that comes to my attention is that it appears the yi jin jing qigong also deals with the 8 special meridians. I am unable to confirm anywhere that the 8 brocades does stimulate those 8 special -it does deal with the "girdle meridian" in the set I follow but dont know if others are actually actively stimulated. Anyone?
I must do a LOT more studying before I get too involved in xi sui jing (if at all). Fantastic book about the qigongs though.
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Postby yeniseri » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:36 pm

Onjectively, it makes no difference whether one begins with yijinjing or xisuijing. The beter choice is baduanjin while noting that if you get a chance to study yijinjing or xisuijing, then one should take that opportunity. It is impossible to study every single method out there so opportunity and actual pracitice (gong) is the preferred strategy.

If one has studied taijiquan at its basic level (zhanzhuang, taijizhang, wujizhuang-where nurishing dantian is a key to other parts of method) one should have learned that there are different meridians involved with certain postures but the degree of innervation of channels/vessels is tricky to quantify.
As a reference for baduanjin #2, pulling bow at both sides, one would realize that the pectoral muscles are stretched wheich helps to invigorates/stimulates Lung and Large Intestine meridians. Check out a TCM manual for Lung/Large intestine route and you will realize how channels/meridians are involved.

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Postby joeblast » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:55 pm

YJJ is safer than XSJ, so while it may "clinically" make no difference, there are a great many proprioceptive advantages to doing it first. 8 brocades is simply a more gentle method and thus safer for a wider range of the population, where YJJ is a 'harder' method, XSJ being a more advanced method that absolutely requires foundational exercises to have been completed to a certain level in order for it to be done safely.

if I recall correctly the 8 brocades was designed specifically for general health and promoting open meridians, but with that method its mostly done via stretching, whereas YJJ raises the fascia of the meridians by 'mechanical' stimulation (beating, pounding, massage, etc.)

yjj's designed to make the fascia very strong - so for a martial artist, especially a harder style, it can be quite beneficial. I've done variations of YJJ years before I ever knew of its existence, still do light to moderate amounts but I dont think I'll ever "complete" that training as I have other more important things to take care of, like a bad back ;)
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Postby vvanesse59 » Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:18 pm

Thanks for both responses to my question. You have confirmed very well what I thought I had been reading and comparing between BDJ and YJJ. As I was studying, it began to look as though the YJJ was much more than I first understood it to be. The part about the "beating", etc., led me to believe that one must be really heading into more martial than I want to be going. (Dr. Yang mentions Iron Shirt type training) I suspect that for my community college qigong classes, it would appear that I need to stick with BDJ. Not that it is a beginner's only type qigong but that it does not delve into qigong to the level YJJ goes if one studies deeper. However, I do value the lessons and understanding that the book takes me for better understanding qigong. Same as for the XSJ.... I have read Ken Cohens book and video wherein he mentions XSJ but does qualify it "the method I teach only addresses the marrow of the limbs" in other words what he teaches on the dvd and book are not going beyond to the immortal or enlightenment but directing qi with little nei gong.
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Postby Dvivid » Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:58 am

V - yjj ultimately is for health and longevity. The intention in its creation was to help the monks of Shaolin temple strengthen their bodies so they could meditate better.

Joe - always great posts from you. Sorry to hear about your back. I highly recommend these soft exercises - they completely healed my back in just 6 months or so after 30 years of bad posture.

http://www.ymaa.com/publishing/dvd/qigo ... qigong_DVD

All you have to do is, do it, frequently.
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Postby Dvivid » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:12 pm

Also, just remembered - this related qigong seminar doesn't come around very often, I highly recommend:

http://www.ymaa.com/seminars/boston/qigong-level-8
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Postby joeblast » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:35 pm

thanks D :) I had surgery back in '95 when I was 19 following many years of...disrespecting gravity and thinking my body was ostensibly indestructible :lol: so I've been developing exercises for many years already, but I will definitely check out that WC qigong book sometime.

thanks for posting up on that seminar, I am interested, will look into attending. I dont require much in the way of lodging, if the ymaa studio was available I'd go that route.
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Postby Dvivid » Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:02 am

Yes, the studio is usually available. Its a great seminar.

And, actually I was referring to the DVD of Soft Crane, my personal fave ;), because you can just follow along.
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Postby joeblast » Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:42 pm

heh, if I get one I'll probably wind up getting the other - with the medium difference I usually wind up picking up things from one that I dont with the other, like I have with embryonic breathing, small circulation, 8 brocades...although I dont do 8 brocades much anymore, I do a more spine focused standing set. absolutely correct though...gotta do it and often, most days its 1-4 hours of work of some sort or another - 3-4 being practically a minimum when my back is very bad like after these last couple tweaks I did over the summer.
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Postby jimlong5000 » Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:09 pm

wrong post
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Postby whites » Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:59 am

I do not believe that taijiquan has Shaolin roots.

Chen village art drew from Shaolin, there is no doubt.
Shaolin and taijiquan have some identical postures, there is no doubt.

However I believe that Shaolin art itself was a compilation, not an invention. It is my belief that the core elements of taijiquan predate the Shaolin temple and were influential in the Shaolin style over time.
Perhaps I am wrong, however there is far more to this topic than many realize.

Of course the name taijiquan is itself: a very recent thing.

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Postby Dvivid » Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:19 am

There is a lot of hype online about Taijiquan being a recent invention, or the word "qigong" being popularized within the last 100 years, but the facts remain:

Taijiquan movements and principles are very ancient, as are many of the common qigong forms. Language issues aside, nothing about them is "recent".

http://www.ymaa.com/articles/origin-of-taijiquan

http://www.ymaa.com/articles/shaolin-th ... -taijiquan
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Postby manmaoyy » Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:34 pm

Taijiquan movements and principles are very ancient, as are many of the common qigong forms. Language issues aside, nothing about them is "recent".
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Postby dmattwads » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:05 am

Another topic concerning 8 brocades. Does anyone ever experience their saliva getting more watery/clearer after or while doing the 8 brocades or any other qigong for that matter? Also if so, what does this mean?
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Postby Dvivid » Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:45 am

I don't know about "watery/clearer", but it certainly produces an abundance, as intended in the seated set.

Saliva is anti-bacterial, anti-viral, anti-septic, and it lubricates the throat. Its good for you.
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Postby Spirmy25 » Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:17 am

actually I was referring to the DVD of Soft Crane, my personal fave Wink, because you can just follow along. levitra online
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