Qigong and Taijiquan at night

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Qigong and Taijiquan at night

Postby SunTzu » Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:14 pm

I work a lot of nightshifts, and during those shifts I have a lot of freedom to do what I want. So I usually practice a lot too.

What I'm dying to find out is when someone practices Qigong/Taijiquan etc. at night often ... Because daytime being Yang and nighttime being Yin, I could imagine that it MAY have some negative influences when most of the training is done deep at night ???

Also ..

What do you guys know about being awake at night often, same question here.


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Postby joeblast » Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:45 am

From what I've read in Dr Yang's books, I interpreted that although 'proper' times for this or that exist, being sure you are making the time to train is more important. If you have a lot of night shifts, then you're up anyway and your body is likely somewhat used to it.

Yin and Yang are relatives, not absolutes. Just by virtue of you being up at night a lot would mean you're not necessarily in sync with the earth's schedule of yin and yang. So I think that although you can probably derive more benefit from training at 'proper' times, if circumstances prevent you from practicing at those times, then the next best thing is to practice at whatever times work for you.

I guess I could extrapolate your question and ask if there is any evidence that not following the earth's schedule is detrimental, provided you keep your own balance?
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Postby SunTzu » Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:50 am

Thanks for your reply, but ..

What is "to extrapolate" ?

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Postby joeblast » Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:27 pm

www.dictionary.com *thumbsup* :D

it means to infer or make an educated guess, in this instance 'to take one step further' of sorts.
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Postby SunTzu » Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:44 pm

I guess I could extrapolate your question and ask if there is any evidence that not following the earth's schedule is detrimental, provided you keep your own balance?



That is kind of the reason of the thread, to get that evidence. So I don't have to read up on 40 books
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Postby joeblast » Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:39 am

roger that...from what I understand from all the books I've read that mention anything about it, it doesnt seem like there's necessarily substantial negatives to not following the day/night schedule, just that there's more positives to following it.

I'll leave anything further to those more experienced :)
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Postby SunTzu » Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:09 am

Thanks Joe !
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Postby jfraser » Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:03 pm

I have had insomnia for years. I found some Chinese herbs in a pill that have helped me a lot sleep.

After a powerful and spontaneous experience(s) of unconditional Love and Wholeness, my defenses are down, and that makes me subject, at least for the time being, to negative "energies" from people and crowds around me.

When I was having open heart surgery in 1988, I went out of my body and "died", I went towards a very bright Light and a tunnel to this Light and felt Free and Love and at Home, Then a voice on the left said, "you cannot stay here, you have to go back to your body. I DID NOT WANT TO, but I did go back to my body, and over 6 weeks recovered enough to go back to work.

Several months later I began to have terrible insomnia and panic attacks (an intense fear of dying in the next hour), with no reason I could determine. I have no personal history or family history of anxiety/panic/or ongoing fear. I kept working some how and working out, and after about 4 years of hell, I got past it. But my life change drastically over the next 15+ years.

I found out much later that when the voice in the LIght told me I could not stay, I interpreted this through an old emotional filter that even God did not want me.
So I have a long standing fear of letting go deeply again , because I fear I will not be wanted again! This applies to sleep for me, and also some say the soul travels when in the deepest sleep, to others levels of existence, some not safe and not "healthy". And when we go to unsafe places, some of us wake up, off and on all night. In medicine, it is called intermittant waking disorder.

The drug Ambien is the least addictive sleep medication. When it works, it really works. You can research it on the Web and ask your doctor. For some it has been a "god send" and for other it has been hell.
Those in hell with this drug seem to have pre-existing serious psychiatric conditions.

Recently I found out that I was told to go back to my body because my destiny was not fulfilled and I had more work to do in my body and on earth.


Rumi said
"The way to love is not a subtle argument.
The door there is devastation.
Birds make great sky-circles
of their freedom
How do they learn it?
They fall, and (in) falling,
they'er given wings.

Quoted in the Wisdom of the Enneagram
Don Riso and Russ Hudson 1999, p. 367

My experiences are that pealing away the layers of my self, personality, small habitual self, opens up many layers, like and onion, and these layers are "falling" and sometimes "devastating". And as AA says, "the way out is trough it." I am not an alcoholic and I do have great respect for the everyday Wisdom of AA/NA.

Kind regards,
James :)
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Postby Dvivid » Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:29 am

Since a daily qigong practice aims at achieving a natural state physically and mentally, in harmony with the natural energy around us, I personally wouldn't suggest anyone take pharmaceuticals or pills of any kind. Our bodies evolved for 100,000 years without them on this Earth in harmony with nature, and we should still be able to function without them today.

Exercise and developing a regimen of deep relaxation are the keys to good sleep. It is normal for people over 30 to have intermittent sleep. I am someone who also deals with being unable to sleep fairly often, ever since I was a child. Still, the negative longterm side-effects that inevitably become known with ALL pharmaceuticals far outweigh their benefits for me. But, to each their own.

jf- Cool to hear you had the 'light at the end of the tunnel' experience. Sorry it wasn't so great for you at the time, but I hope you realize that you're fortunate.

Also jf - I also have these spontaneous moments of awareness you speak of sometimes. And again, whether they are 'pleasant or not' at the time, it is a fortunate thing.
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Postby jfraser » Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:29 pm

Dvivid,
Thanks for your sharing and support. It is not easy for me to talk with or make sense of these experiences of sudden and illumination experience. What to do with them my everyday world is anther story! These worlds seem vastly different, and hard to integrate.

James
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