What's safe?

[Seeker]

There are no qigong teachers in my area. What forms of Nei Dan and wai dan are safe to be practiced without a teacher?

[Seeker]

What's best for beginners with no teacher...
1. Da Mo's Yi Jin Jing exercises
2. Open Palm Sequence
3. Eight Pieces Brocade (if this is it, I am reading from Qigong For Health and Martial Arts version.)

I really want to learn Nei Dan but I know the Circulation is dangerous. Is there anything I can practice before I find a teacher to get ready for it?

What about Zazen?

[laotse]

hi

whats dangerous with circulation?

i think zazen also opens the microcosmic orbit by concentrating at the dantien only.
so i see there is no danger, if you concentrate on your dantien and breath naturally.

also you can count your breath.

look here:

http://www.boudicca.de/qigong-e.htm

earthing is also a good start to nei kung.
let the chi flow through your hole body from the top of the head down to the feet and out of the feet. visualize roots coming out of your feet down in the earth.

but i see there also no danger with microcosmic orbit meditation.

regards
laotse

[Seeker]

Some teachers claim the practice can lead to internal damage if done wrong.

[laotse]

hi

yes all right, but what means internal damage?

and what means if done wrong?

its a simple method, what can be done wrong with it?

is it really neccessary to collect at the end of the praxis the qi in the dantien, like mantak chia tells it?

regards

[darth_freak]

yeah sure, no problem! have you qi stagnate in some place in the conception or governor vessel and you'll see the danger. a big ball of qi stuck in your lumbar; enjoy the burning.

collecting the qi in your dan tian at the end of the practice is used so that the qi that went where it shouldn't have gone (eg: in the legs) gets stored and ready for use till next time.

read Master Yang's latest book and see by yourself.

[yeniseri]

This is often a mistatement or a result of ignorance.

Baduanjin is the best and easiest because it does not involve thinking about or moving chee. The minimum damage is psychological abnormality and the worst is cardiovascular problems.

Zhanzhuang is good but most people do not want to spend time standing and doing nothing but this is a process for 'building root'.
An excellent grading of practice would be the following:
a. General range of movement to get the body accustoment to movement
(a basic training)
b. Collecting (involving root like zhanzhuang) aka building gong. There are probably other descriptions that mimic this)
c. Storing (another level or could be an extension of (b).
d. Dispersion. Necessary to dissipate the storing phase. Similar to yin within yang and yang within yin. ? wuji to taiji?

Most do not even describe what internal damage is. So perhaps a definition may be in order as to meaning.

Just trying to be objective here!

[laotse]

hi

this is what i mean, nobody say something about what is internal damage.
i think the only damage can be, that the chi is too hot. and this can be avoided by doing earthing exercises.

dispersion is a good headword.
some authors write, that qi must be stored at the dantien after training. some say it's not neccesary.
i also heard, you have to collect it and then put it out through the feet.
whats the right way?

why should the chi goes somewhere, where it shouldn't have to gone?
i think chi is not stupid. it's intelligent. the only probleme is doing without intuition.

why should be a feeling of burning when there is a blockade in the spine or so? it can also be gently and smooth.

regards

[darth_freak]

why should be a feeling of burning when there is a blockade in the spine or so? it can also be gently and smooth.

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same phenomenon that when your soles kinda burn when the qi stagnates around the yongquan.

[laotse]

same phenomenon that when your soles kinda burn when the qi stagnates around the yongquan.

i don't know this phenomenon. i think, when there is a blockade, smile in it and it will dissolve.

regards

[darth_freak]

I feel it after taiji qigong, not during, because I'm not focused in the 4 doors at the end (I know I should, but I'm still learning). But Master Yang says it's okay so at the end of the qigong we jsut move the feet and the legs and that's it.