Eight Brocades Qigong study

[abersold]

Here is link to a interesting study on the 8 brocades Qigong
BE AWARE that it download's as a PDF File, "less is more proves true in this study"

http://www.medscimonit.com/medscimonit/ ... 2&idm=5189

[deinfami]

if only more western medical doctors could get this info. it's out there but getting them to prescribe (or subscribe) to this is difficult. thanks for sharing.

my wife has been looking for white papers and medical documentation in western format to help her educate her doctors that are only interested in submitting insurance claims and sending her to expensive "treatments" that provide no real relief without prescription drugs. although she is doing better with basic qi gong and exercise (a gall bladder removal and many specialists later), she still has some ailments that neither basic qi gong or ANY medical doctor has been able to diagnose.

we won't let them operate until we get more info to and from them. so, any ideas on where to find this kind of documentation to help create further awareness is appreciated. we all just need to know what to give our western medical doctors, when they wont listen and want to treat the sympton and not the cause.

Thanks, De Infami

[abersold]

I posted this for one reason: eight brocades works, some Qigong students believe this is a set just for newbies, but i believe the more and more you do it the deeper you go into it; you develop different levels of consciousness.

If you like to share your wifes problem you can email me at [email protected] this is a email account i use for web friends. I might be able to offer you suggestions and or a teacher that could bring some light to it thats near to you. Everything is confidential, and free of course.

[yeniseri]

deinfami,

There are no White Papers pertaining to qigong or similar intervention for many diseases because much of this is anathema to the present health system. People want immediate gratification or healing and are unwilling and able to make the switch to qigong. The best bet is to find a specialist (morseso if the condition is life threatening) in TCM preferebly an OMD but still corroborate with an MD through medical instrumentatioin and blood tests.

Start with personal practice and if the wellspring of millions begin to practice then the establishment will listen. !5 years ago many MD's stated that acupuncture was bogus but with enough practitioners over the years, some MD's are even learning and practicing acupuncture.

[Dvivid]

In the cancer ward of Johns Hopkins hospital, the world's foremost medical facility, there's an acupuncture center right across the hall from the radiation room. Things are definately improving.

Tai Chi and Qigong are already adjuct therapy in many hospitals, and its only a matter of time before they hit the mainstream. Because, like acupuncture, they work. And when someone is sick, or someone you love is sick, you become open-minded to try anything that will work.

[deinfami]

I was told by my message therapist, "There are plenty of sick people dying to get better." No pun intended.

Then yesterday, we sat and talked in QiGong class about the progress that we have made in incorporating Eastern medicine..... We're getting there slowly but surely. When insurance companies take the plunge and pay for these treatments is when we'll see the biggest progress. Or, when our government offers it as socialized medicine. lol

Interesting, interesting, interesting....... Trevor (aka De Infami)

[Yatish Parmar]

Is it me or did that paper actually say that 8-pieces lower immune system response?

[deinfami]

you are correct. the study notes that their findings are inconclusive and different from what is normally found. i think the important thing to take away from this is what "science" in the Western world does..... questions itself and studies itself on an on-going basis.

it was interesting to note because it shows thought and thinking into this area of science. Trevo

[Yatish Parmar]

I'm quite sceptical of research papers.

Most papers are passed only because it agrees with the politics of the presenting journal or *sponsors*. Very rarely is a unbiased paper published.

[deinfami]

dialog is better than no dialog, even if its not what we want. i work in higher education and am very familiar with research publishing. yes, you are correct..... things tend to be published if they are "politically correct."

Rome wasn't built in a night and integrating Eastern medicine into our self-indulgent, know-it-all society will take time. This is turning into an interesting thread of discussion. Trev (aka De Infami)

[yeniseri]

Abersold,

Thanks for the link.
Baduanjin is an intervention for all so this Phase 1 proof of concept trial is always a good start. The main results are a step forward while recognizing the 6% adverse symptom expression is 'high' in the realm of abnormal laboratory values!

[Yatish Parmar]

Is it possible to integrate *eastern medicine* into *western medicine*. Chiropractic and Homepathy are essentially western systems but they operate on a different wellness paradigm to *western medicine*.

Integration of these *western practices* into *western medicine* demands a rethink of the fundamental worldview of western medicine. (I believe.)

[deinfami]

Westward expansion has created a cowboy-esque mentality in Americans. In order for us to escape the cycles of that paradigm, Americans must admit that we need to change our thinking AND begin to do something about it. I think it is possible to integrate Eastern and Western medicine. But..... it will come at a great cost and many, many challenges. (I believe). Geez this is getting good! Trev (aka De Infami)

[Yatish Parmar]

http://www.mercola.com/townofallopath/index.htm

It's a little propaganda-esque but it makes several valid points

1) a lot of research is political

2) the health care indutryis political

3) the primary form of modern healthcare in the world today is based on treating symptoms, not causes.

From what I know, Ayurveda and Chinese medicined not just cure symptoms but seek to alleviate the root cause, treating the body as an intergrated whole. Those are two fundamental differences in thinking, and require a shift in the philosophical base of modern medicine.

[yeniseri]

probably green eggs and ham!

avec toi Yatish,

The shift will be dificult because people want instantaneous recovery and this is impossible in the present paradigm.
Syndrom X and its manifestation (NIDDM, hypertension, insulin resistance, etc) can all be alleviated by the 'simplistic' (not so simple due to behavioural elements) tools of diet and exercise (get moving shift) to decrease obesity but no one will pay attention to 'simplicity'.