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Re: Questions that need asking

Postby pete5770 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:01 am

Josh Young wrote:Can someone show how this is a flaw? I hear a lot of armchair philosophy about it, but in years of doing taiji and sparring nobody has taken advantage of said flaw, but I have used said flaw against others over and over.

There are good reasons for it, it isn't a mistake or a flaw, it is in all the oldest styles too.

Remember form is superficial. Some so called mistakes are just not understood, like how some forms direct the eyes differently than others.


Hmmmm, interesting take on it. Could be??? I didn't, in my wildest dreams, think that the question would generate this much "mail".
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Re: Questions that need asking

Postby pete5770 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:10 am

Brian wrote:
pete5770 wrote:No. For the last 6 or 8 years I haven't taught or "went to school". fer a tai chi hermit lifestyle?

I guess you could call me a hermit. I've been trying to find an instructor that I think can help me but the one I want to go to is a good hour away. My last instructor moved to the West coast and Gabriel Chin, who held court every Saturday up in Ann Arbor, died a few years back, so, yes, a hermit(of sorts).


Pete...have you ever thought of approaching it the 'seminar way'?....find a good teacher within reasonable distance who gives weekend/week seminars, travel, learn, make a 'taiji holiday' of it, then work on what you've learned until the next chance you have of attending another one (most teachers will give a number of seminars during a year). That way, you will, at least stay in contact with a 'mainstream' Taiji process and not be adrift as you are now. Think about it!!


I don't believe I've said whether I go to seminars or not. In any case I really don't feel all that "adrift". My Tai Chi gets a goodly share of my time everyday. There is something to be said for being "alone". Although as I've said before, there is always the danger every "self taught man"
faces. That he has a moron for a student and an idiot for an teacher.
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Re: Questions that need asking

Postby wpgtaiji » Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:33 pm

pete5770 wrote:
Josh Young wrote:There are good reasons for it, it isn't a mistake or a flaw, it is in all the oldest styles too.



Hmmmm, interesting take on it. Could be??? I didn't, in my wildest dreams, think that the question would generate this much "mail".

Oldest styles? ROFLMAO! Please, in your infinite wisdom (with a style that has a history dating back to chenfu!) tell us how it exists in the OLDEST styles? Seeing that today, all the "old" styles have been corrupted by "modern" tinkering! Please, share with us your infinite wisdom!

And pete, insanity is high on forums.
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Re: Questions that need asking

Postby pete5770 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:02 pm

wpgtaiji wrote:
pete5770 wrote:
Josh Young wrote:There are good reasons for it, it isn't a mistake or a flaw, it is in all the oldest styles too.



Hmmmm, interesting take on it. Could be??? I didn't, in my wildest dreams, think that the question would generate this much "mail".

Oldest styles? ROFLMAO! Please, in your infinite wisdom (with a style that has a history dating back to chenfu!) tell us how it exists in the OLDEST styles? Seeing that today, all the "old" styles have been corrupted by "modern" tinkering! Please, share with us your infinite wisdom!

And pete, insanity is high on forums.


I don't really buy your thinking that "old is better". And besides who ever said that someone "modern" couldn't come up with good ideas? Other than you, who made these "old guys" the supreme intellects of all time? Where nothing can come from anyone else who happens to be thinking Tai Chi? Have these "old guys" NEVER said or done anything that might come into question? Have they never put down on paper or mentioned anything that might be wrong?
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Re: Questions that need asking

Postby Josh Young » Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:38 pm

Oldest styles, Sun, Wu, Wuhao, Chen etc.
Some forms of liuhebafa and taiji like shaolin styles like jing gang quan all have the move.
It forms the basis of kicking and stepping methods of taijiquan and is used in several jings.


Older is not better or worse, but often comes from something tried and true, while with newer revisions that is not always the case.

Gord, you have some serious personality defects and aggression issues, that is my infinite wisdom speaking.
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Re: Questions that need asking

Postby Brian » Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:29 pm

Josh Young wrote:Oldest styles, Sun, Wu, Wuhao, Chen etc.


Sun, Wu and Wu (Hao) styles derived from Yang....so they are not oldest.

Some forms of liuhebafa and taiji like shaolin styles like jing gang quan all have the move. It forms the basis of kicking and stepping methods of taijiquan and is used in several jings.


Your terminology is wrong... you incorrectly use 'Jing'....Jīng (Chinese: 精; Wade-Giles: ching1) is the Chinese word for "essence", specifically kidney essence. Along with qì and shén, it is considered one of the Three Treasures Sanbao 三寶 of Traditional Chinese Medicine or TCM. Jīng is stored in the kidneys and is the most dense physical matter within the body (as opposed to shén which is the most volatile). It is said to be the material basis for the physical body and is yīn in nature, which means it nourishes, fuels, and cools the body.

You should have used 'Jin'....as in Fa Jin (explosive energy)....
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Re: Questions that need asking

Postby Josh Young » Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:15 pm

Brian wrote:
Sun, Wu and Wu (Hao) styles derived from Yang....so they are not oldest.

They are older than most Yang that is practiced today.


Your terminology is wrong... you incorrectly use 'Jing'....Jīng (Chinese: 精; Wade-Giles: ching1) is the Chinese word for "essence", specifically kidney essence. Along with qì and shén, it is considered one of the Three Treasures Sanbao 三寶 of Traditional Chinese Medicine or TCM. Jīng is stored in the kidneys and is the most dense physical matter within the body (as opposed to shén which is the most volatile). It is said to be the material basis for the physical body and is yīn in nature, which means it nourishes, fuels, and cools the body.

You should have used 'Jin'....as in Fa Jin (explosive energy)....


Fa means release, not explosive... it can be written Fa jing in English and frequently is.
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Re: Questions that need asking

Postby Brian » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:56 am

Josh Young wrote:
Brian wrote:Your terminology is wrong... you incorrectly use 'Jing'....Jīng (Chinese: 精; Wade-Giles: ching1) is the Chinese word for "essence", specifically kidney essence. Along with qì and shén, it is considered one of the Three Treasures Sanbao 三寶 of Traditional Chinese Medicine or TCM. Jīng is stored in the kidneys and is the most dense physical matter within the body (as opposed to shén which is the most volatile). It is said to be the material basis for the physical body and is yīn in nature, which means it nourishes, fuels, and cools the body.

You should have used 'Jin'....as in Fa Jin (explosive energy)....


Fa means release, not explosive... it can be written Fa jing in English and frequently is.


Fa jin, fajin, or fa chin (fā jìn, 發勁) is a term used in some Chinese martial arts, particularly the neijia (internal) martial arts, such as Xingyiquan, T'ai chi ch'uan (Taijiquan), Baguazhang and Bak Mei.

It means to issue or discharge power explosively, and is not specific to any particular striking method. Jìn (勁), or "power", is often confused by Westerners with the related concept of jīng (精), which literally means "essence."

You should, when using terminology that has been translatted from Chinese, explain explicitly what you are talking about. The sound in pinyin might be similar, but the actual Chinese characters used are different. Otherwise, people start using the terms interchangeably without knowing what they are talking about.
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Re: Questions that need asking

Postby pete5770 » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:10 am

Brian wrote:
Josh Young wrote:Can someone show how this is a flaw? I hear a lot of armchair philosophy about it, but in years of doing taiji and sparring nobody has taken advantage of said flaw, but I have used said flaw against others over and over.


I think you have just cotradicted yourself there....asking how it is a flaw...and then saying you have used it (the flaw) 'over and over' against others!!

There are good reasons for it, it isn't a mistake or a flaw, it is in all the oldest styles too.


What are the 'good' reasons for it??

Remember form is superficial.


Nothing in Taiji is 'superficial'....everything has reason and purpose...otherwise, why bother learning it??

Some so called mistakes are just not understood, like how some forms direct the eyes differently than others.


Here again you support the actions of the form...immediatly after calling forms superficial!!


He's NOT contradicting himself. He asked HOW it was a flaw, then said that he had used "said flaw" against others. Key words being "SAID FLAW". Brian, you're the one claiming it's wrong, or is a flaw.
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Re: Questions that need asking

Postby Dvivid » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:07 am

I suggest we try to understand each other, and help each other to understand the topic, rather than bicker.
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Re: Questions that need asking

Postby pete5770 » Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:20 pm

Dvivid wrote:I suggest we try to understand each other, and help each other to understand the topic, rather than bicker.


To be honest that's not the idea behind a forum. Forums are not meant to be a place where everyone just goes along with whatever is said, you know, peace and harmony. No, people have different ideas and right or wrong they will come forward with them. To expect people to agree with whatever is said or written is to live in a fantasy world. I would urge you not to make more of arguement than what it is, a simple disagreement between people. I've said, more than a few times that I don't believe in Qigong. Some say I'm an idiot and others are outraged that I would even suggest such a thing. Could my mind be changed? Sure, and maybe it will be someday or maybe not. In any case I have expressed my views(unpleasant as they may seem) and that's the purpose of a forum.
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Re: Questions that need asking

Postby brer_momonga » Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:30 pm

Your job is hard Dvivid - between spambots and newbiegos seems someone's always trying to dominate this imaginary territory.
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Re: Questions that need asking

Postby pete5770 » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:09 pm

brer_momonga wrote:Your job is hard Dvivid - between spambots and newbiegos seems someone's always trying to dominate this imaginary territory.


Since I'm old I don't follow tech all that much but what's with those spambots you talk about?
And who the hell, on this website, gives a cr*p about womens shoes and purses? Then again I guess all those adverts don't cost anything and whomever posts them might get a bite or two.
Weird. It's all about the money.
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Re: Questions that need asking

Postby SzJoska » Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:32 am

Hi i'm learning Xingyiquan at home and have some questions:

Question 1: If i'm a beginner, so i'm practicing like i said now about 4 month, but i only done San Ti Shi (max period 8 min.), Tim Cartmell's warm up and Liang Shou You's Qigong, since then i put away my dumbbels and i thought if i should or not begin some bodyweight execises like: pushups, situps, squats till i get to one arm pushups and pistols (one legged squats) ? or Tim Cartmell's and Liang Shou You's qigong should be enough ?

Question 2: If i could only do 8 min San Ti Shi then it's better to not to begin Pi quan?

Question 3: In Dr. Yang's and Liang Shou You' book the changing direction in Pi quan it's not written wrongly? Because when i read deeply not only once, i thought: if you end with left hand Pi, then do the turning like it's written, then step with your right leg forward then (it's written that you do the right hand Pi) you should repeat the left hand Pi ? because the right leg is in front no ? or am i wrong?

Question 4: It could be a good thing doing San Ti Shi and with time the five elements with wrist bag and ankle bag, too?

Sorry for too many questions, good practicing, and good day!
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Re: Questions that need asking

Postby pete5770 » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:57 am

SzJoska wrote:Hi i'm learning Xingyiquan at home and have some questions:

Question 1: ..... since then i put away my dumbbels and i thought if i should or not begin some bodyweight execises like: pushups, situps, squats till i get to one arm pushups and pistols (one legged squats) ? or Tim Cartmell's and Liang Shou You's qigong should be enough ?


FWIW I would ask why. Why put away the dumbells and weights? To what end? Weight training is great exercise and good for you. Nothing wrong with having some strength in the body. Now,
if you're prone to injury from weights, well, that's another story. Or maybe you don't enjoy lifting? I guess I don't quite understand why you couldn't do both weights and Qigong. Especially if this Qigong is only 10 minutes. To be blunt I don't buy into Qigong at all and firmly believe that you'll get a whole lot more out of weight training than standing around doing Qigong for 10 minutes. But that's just MHO.
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Re: Questions that need asking

Postby Dvivid » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:50 am

Both weight training and qigong are healthy in different ways.

We've tried explaining in clear modern western terms how and why qigong is physiologically beneficial, but your dogma is blocking your brain hole.

(And yes, spambots are a constant problem for web forums. Every time we implement new security, there is a new hack into the site. We have several humans monitoring it, deleting them when they happen, and our webmaster is always working to keep them out.)
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