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Josh Young wrote: Jin Gang, while translated as Buddhas warrior attendant is a term meaning indestructible, it is used for Diamond in the Diamond Sutra. Diamand in Sanskrit is Vajra, for this reason the translation of the move is also given as Vajra pestle.
Josh Young wrote:Now why would a Chinese move have Buddhist connotations?
Buddhism is not Chinese.
Josh Young wrote:Why would the move invoke the name of an Indian weapon associated with Buddhism, as well as with Indra?
Josh Young wrote:Jin Gang Dao Dui is a good example of this and relates to the Hindu contribution to TCMA.
adamfuray wrote: Jin Gang means Diamond King. There are four of them that flank the entrance to Buddhist temples, and act as guardian deities. Why translate it into Sanskrit? Maybe if you are teaching in certain parts of India...
again, so far removed, it doesn't even vaguely resemble anything Hindu. It would be more accurate to say, "this is a good example of the Shaolin contribution to Taiji."
adamfuray wrote:The movement Jin Gang Dao Dui is not Chen Style or Shaolin's hidden secret homage to Hinduism.
adamfuray wrote:this move can not be traced to India. You are basing your opinion of it's origins in a name.
adamfuray wrote:it sounds to me like you are saying that Taijiquan owes more credit, than is currently attributed, to Indian culture. I'm saying there is nothing from India that gets even close.
adamfuray wrote:so we should replace giving credit to Chen Wang Ting with giving credit to India?
You cited a staff form and a hole in the ground.
adamfuray wrote:It is rather insignificant to the study of Taijiquan.
There are plenty of documented factors that DIRECTLY influenced Taijiquan, that this "fringe" speculation just seems absurd.
Chen Wang Ting did not study with an Indian teacher, and he did not read Indian texts when synthesizing his art. Neither did any of his teachers.
This topic belongs in an international martial arts history forum, not a Taijiquan one. And you certanly shouldn't be using a very specific movement from Taijiquan to make this claim.
Who is your teacher? Do they know you believe this? I could imagine a legitimate teacher getting a little upset about it.
adamfuray wrote:and how does this specifically aid you in studying martial arts?
Josh Young wrote:However telling you this is worthless, the real evidence is in the skill set I maintain and only those who have trained with me can relate my skill, or lack thereof. My teacher(s) can speak of my skill level, but I cannot. I can say I am not a master... just a student.
adamfuray wrote:Josh Young wrote:However telling you this is worthless, the real evidence is in the skill set I maintain and only those who have trained with me can relate my skill, or lack thereof. My teacher(s) can speak of my skill level, but I cannot. I can say I am not a master... just a student.
no kidding?
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