Yang Traditional Short Form

[bowser666]

I am in the learning process of this form, been training it for over a year, and was wondering what version this is classified under ? For example, there is the Yang 13 , Yang 24, Yang 48, etc....... I was curious what the traditional ( Yang Ban Hou Lineage) Yang Tai Chi short form is called ? Thanks in advance.......

[yeniseri]

I am in the learning process of this form, been training it for over a year, and was wondering what version this is classified under ? For example, there is the Yang 13 , Yang 24, Yang 48, etc....... I was curious what the traditional ( Yang Ban Hou Lineage) Yang Tai Chi short form is called ? Thanks in advance.......

There is no such thing as a Yang Traditional Short Form!

Yang 88/108 "Traditional" is a standard while the shorter versions are just that! The "Shorter" forms are, in theory and objectivity, individual postures that are repeated less often and are unique (i.e. repeated once or twice).
Beijing 13 shi, Beijing 24 shi taijiquan etc are just varied glimpses and serve as a "foundation" for further study into taijiquan, usually health and well being.
As portrayed in some sources, whether rightly or wrongly, today's Traditional Yang is relegated to Yang Zhanduo/Yang Jun. Any others Yang style is usually seen as attempting to usurp the present status quo!
Which ever one you choose, enjoy and assess the learning potential that you are capable! It is you who must choose between the wheat and the chaff.

[bowser666]

Hm that is interesting I know it is a shortened version of the long form taught by Dr. Yang ( The is who my Sifu studied under). I thought there might be a Posture count in it etc.... I also thought this style of Yang Tai chi came from Yang Ban-Hou ? I am only just trying to have a accurate understanding of my Taijichuan lineage Thanks for the info.

[yeniseri]

That's great but there is more than one Yang style lineage!

There are alleged exponents from Yang Banhou, Yang Shaohou, etc and from the most recent Chengfu lineage > Zhenduo > Yang Jun, the present inheritors, who must be surnamed Yang of the line of Yang Luchan.

You have other Yang syle from Fu Zhongwen, Zhang Qinglin, Zhao Bin. etc so it is a big pool!

[brer_momonga]

Is anyone on the board learning Yang 49?

[NC Tai Chi]

I will stick with the 60 Movement form established by William CC Chen.

The lineage that I learn goes like this: My sifu is Parichard Holm who was taught by William CC Chen who was taught by Chang Man Ching who was taught by Yang Cheng fu...and you know the rest !

[Dvivid]

There are as many Yang styles as there are Yang style teachers!

Of course. The YMAA Taijiquan lineage can be viewed here: https://ymaa.com/articles/ymaa-taijiquan-lineage

The standardized 48-form (for competitions, etc) is based on Yang-style, and is the only "traditional" form shorter than 108-movements, meaning the only one based on taijiquan with martial applications intact, aside from much more modern forms, of which Im not personally aware.

The 48-form is presented here by Liang, Shou-Yu:
https://ymaa.com/publishing/internal/ta ... _24_48_DVD

But, at the time, adding the 48 form to the video was an afterthought, and martial apps were not shown.

[Josh Young]

The lineage that I learn goes like this: My sifu is Parichard Holm who was taught by William CC Chen who was taught by Chang Man Ching who was taught by Yang Cheng fu...and you know the rest !

W. CC Chen had many teachers and in (old) interviews does not claim any one of them as his teacher. That lineage is more complicated than is often thought.

The Yang long public form, often called the 108, has around 60 moves depending on how you count them. For example you can count each step in "cloud hands" as a separate move or count the whole 'cloud hands' as one move. The number associated with the forms is not a good way to make distinctions, but some aspects of the forms are, for example in some forms some moves are quite distinct, in some there is a brush knee step type move where the player sinks down very low, much like how snake creeps down is a low variation of single whip, this low/creeping form of brush knee twist step is missing from many westernized versions of taiji forms. When present it is in the last section of the form.

[NC Tai Chi]

Josh, that sounds interesting (as usual). Do you have any information or youtube videos showing this low brush knee or other techniques?

Knowledge is a wonderful way to expand your mind and point of view.

Peace!

[Josh Young]

I can give you the lineage the move is in, I found it credited with:
Yang Lu Chan--Yang Jiann Hau--Yang Ching Fu--Chan Wei Ming--Leung King Yu -- Alwin Leung---Art Barret--(me but i am not an instructor, i just studied with Art for a couple of years.)

here is a link with a photograph of King Yu and Chan Wei-Ming
http://delmarvataichi.blogspot.com/2008 ... g-and.html

I can describe the move as well
It is like brush knee twist step, except this time as you step forward you step further and sink down, the back heel comes off of the ground while the ball/toes remain and in the sinking motion you go so far that the top of the foot of the rear let is touching the ground, the striking hand will be about waist level and the angles of the knees are both at about 90degrees

application wise there are several variations, the hand that brushes for example with the grappling application you can use the sink to take a duifang low, even to the ground, in the throw/takedown, and in the strike the target is the lower stomach, crotch or thigh etc

i do not have any copies of the dvd i was given, but i was also expressly told not to put it on youtube or to share it in general

there are some interesting distinctions in the form i was taught through this line, for example single whip is done from the regular stance, the rear foot does not turn out as is very common in other forms

in return tiger to mountain from the cross hands position the hands do not uncross before the turn of the waist, rather it is the turning of the waist that uncrosses them, this has an application, in fact there are several teachings in regard to application in this transmission, many of them are sayings in mandarin, i never bothered to learn the mandarin sayings though, i just recall the meanings of the ones i was taught

to clarify the teaching method, it consists of a long form called the 108, but the number of moves vary depending on how you count them, i have never seen anything identical to it online, however the long form published by Doc Fai Wong and the form in the redbook by Tung Ying Chieh
link here:
http://www.taichiclub.com/Download/Red_ ... Parker.pdf
are very close, though not identical to the form i am talking about

then there is single hand push hands, two hand push hands, forward and backard stepping push hands, Da-Lu and then free form push hands

there is also a sword form taught and the transmission in the lineage also includes Ba-gua Zhang in it, a variation of Swimming Dragon, that is said to have come from Chen Wei-Ming as well, though I studied that very little, it includes several forms including some weapon forms. It is taught in the transmission that bagua goes well with taiji, but also that any move can be made using taiji energies if you follow specific rules, regardless of the martial art that move hails from.