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sun the best wrote:glad you have lots of instructors/money, this is not the case for most. The closest sun style instructor lives nearly 1000 kilometers away from me, and is only 3rd or 4th duan at best. I know a 7th duan master (Deng FuMing) who teach the complete system but it cost 500 dollars/month, and since i need a minimum of 10 years of training, I need about 50000 dollars. If I was born son of this teacher, it would be free and I would already be 5th duan. First luck, then hard work.
Why do you even think Deng FuMing will be training for 500 dollars a month years from now? The chances are he will be doing something else or charging more. You will have spent 10 years doing nothing.
Go train for a year in the Xing Yi only, come back, train and find people to practice with even if you have to teach them, then go back for another year. A lot of progression is practice alone so you dont have to be with the Master 24 7. This way you have a chance to make progress.
In Poland there are a lot f VERY good YMAA instructors and when they started out they were lucky if they had a few weeks a year with Dr Yang. They trained hard alone and in groups the things he showed them.
Sun himself did not see all his students constantly and some of them he had do standing exercises for years on end before he showed them the rest of the system in under a year. You dont need the master for training the basics once you have been shown them properly.
The way you are trying to do it you will learn nothing as you will never start. Stances can be learned well in a year and then trained hard on your own for a year. With solid fundamentals you will learn quickly next time you go to see the master. Sun himself learnt Bagua exceptionally fast as he had rock solid basics.
First luck, then hard work.
Mastery is just a matter of luck, finding a real master when you are still young, and have the money.
I prefer doing no training in my life than being a "fairly good disciple" at best, only the highest level interest me.
Being french is useless...
sun the best wrote:Why do you even think Deng FuMing will be training for 500 dollars a month years from now? The chances are he will be doing something else or charging more. You will have spent 10 years doing nothing.
It's a risky bet I am aware, I prefer doing no training in my life than being a "fairly good disciple" at best, only the highest level interest me. Better do others hobbies than wasting my time 1hour a day doing 10 minutes santishi and 50 minutes 5 elements.Go train for a year in the Xing Yi only, come back, train and find people to practice with even if you have to teach them, then go back for another year. A lot of progression is practice alone so you dont have to be with the Master 24 7. This way you have a chance to make progress.
I need 5000 dollars for one year training, that I don't have. Doing santishi 1hour for 1 year is not enough for mastery, when I come back 10 minutes santishi only per day will nullify one year of rigorous training.In Poland there are a lot f VERY good YMAA instructors and when they started out they were lucky if they had a few weeks a year with Dr Yang. They trained hard alone and in groups the things he showed them.
Not my fault if masters don't like/come in France. Sure I regret not being born in Poland. Being french is useless if you want top quality martial arts and instructors.Sun himself did not see all his students constantly and some of them he had do standing exercises for years on end before he showed them the rest of the system in under a year. You dont need the master for training the basics once you have been shown them properly.
That is why nobody is at sun's level. Only Sun Cunzhou was nearly as good.
Sun himself lived/studied with guo almost 10 years straight.The way you are trying to do it you will learn nothing as you will never start. Stances can be learned well in a year and then trained hard on your own for a year. With solid fundamentals you will learn quickly next time you go to see the master. Sun himself learnt Bagua exceptionally fast as he had rock solid basics.
Stances training is not something you see once and do by yourself. The mental training side of santishi (3 internal harmonies) requires proper instructions every day. And you don't learn the micro-alignments in few month of training, for example an jing skills for santishi. Sun learnt bagua in 4 years because he was already at guo's level in xingyi, which is far beyond than "good basics".
I laugh when people say they do traditional arts when they don't train the traditional way (1hour santishi for 3 years etc...). The training of the 19th century is what interest me, not tai chi for arthritis. I don't want to be at a level of yang ming jin or chen xiaowang. To be like master sun, I need to train exactly like he did (quality AND quantity). Like in the golden age, even a master of the caliber of chen xiaowang would be considered only "top disciple" , not even master.
sun the best wrote:I don't like savate because it is only external, like MMA or whatever, and it is much less traditional since it is also a sport now, it is becoming like taekwondo or judo. There are few teachers in Paris, but France is not small, it is 300 kilometers from where I live, and living in Paris is expensive. I know there is a Yiquan school about 50km away but I don't like yiquan because it is too much static, too much postures, you don't move as much as in bagua, and "forms" aren't as martial as in xingyi. I still think of it, who knows.
People say I should practice, but what ? Once I tried to train horse stance, I only hold 1 minute, about 5 times per day, it is very painful, and one month later I could not do more than 1 minute, I wasn't relaxed enough maybe. Anyway it is external training, what is the point to have damaged legs/knees ?
About Chen Xiaowang, I know that he could beat all the MMA machomen, he was lucky because he is born grandson of chen fake, thus direct access to authenticy at age 5 and was rich enough not to work like we all do and thus train full time. Why would I go to chen jiagou anyway ? I don't speak chinese, my spoken english is as of a 5 years old native, and I will still need money anyway. And if I would challenge/test him, I would not do pushing, but a direct punch to his face at full speed/power after a feint to his stomach.
I will just save as much money as I can for 10 years, and go to china and train full time for 10 years, then open a school in France and continue training full time for decades.
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