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Phalanxpursos wrote:Well it is very important that people pay more attention to Humanitarian Law
John the Monkey mind wrote:Why?
Phalanxpursos wrote:John the Monkey mind wrote:Why?
Because then people learn what is good for them, the philosophy is very simple; We are Human beings, laws have been written on how we deserve to be treated. If people pay more attention to Civil Liberty and Civil Rights, then do people know what is good for them.
John the Monkey mind wrote:Civil rights and human rights have become just another weapon of politics to attack people with.
John the Monkey mind wrote:I am all for people being good to one another no matter their background but the body of "humanitarian law" is of little worth as far as I am concerned.
John the Monkey mind wrote:This is only my opinion
John the Monkey mind wrote:Civil and human rights have been mostly used by criminals to get away with punishments that are a joke. Murderers have escaped deportation for the love of a cat and terrorists for fear their own people will punish them justly for their many and grave crimes.
Phalanxpursos wrote:
I watch the news everyday and I never saw a report which stated that governments uses civil and human rights as a weapon, so I figure your statement is false.
Phalanxpursos wrote:John the Monkey mind wrote:Civil rights and human rights have become just another weapon of politics to attack people with.
I watch the news everyday and I never saw a report which stated that governments uses civil and human rights as a weapon, so I figure your statement is false.
wpgtaiji wrote:Phalanxpursos wrote:John the Monkey mind wrote:Civil rights and human rights have become just another weapon of politics to attack people with.
I watch the news everyday and I never saw a report which stated that governments uses civil and human rights as a weapon, so I figure your statement is false.
mate, you can't see what governments are doing, then you have no business discussing human rights. You are uneducated in what you say is important. The news every night is FILLED with stories on how our rights are slowly degraded and freedoms are removed. They dont say it outright, but it is there IN EVERY STORY, even the weather! (ever ask why it is important to say the same weather forecast 4 to 6 times in an hour.. it doesnt change nor can it be accurately predicted! but there it is)
good luck with the fantasy mate
John the Monkey mind wrote:In the UK human rights and equality legislation has been used as a weapon to attack a legitimate (legally puts members up for election) although controversial political party by meddling with its membership criteria (freedom of association?) and to limit and hinder Christians (workplace anti discrimination legislation selectivity based on the HRA).
John the Monkey mind wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Act_1998#Criticism
John the Monkey mind wrote:Governments also use human rights as an get out of jail card when they don't want to do what the people want them to and the law may require them to do. An example would be the USA and opposition to state policy on requesting ID cards during Police stops.
John the Monkey mind wrote:The UN is now campaigning for a new TAX (WTF has it got to do with human rights???) on the grounds of human rights. Now if that is not abuse what is? http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nileg ... rld-scale/
John the Monkey mind wrote:Human rights are in fact an anathema. Humans are not born with rights as nature provides no such thing.
wpgtaiji wrote:mate, you can't see what governments are doing, then you have no business discussing human rights.
wpgtaiji wrote:The news every night is FILLED with stories on how our rights are slowly degraded and freedoms are removed.
Phalanxpursos wrote:John the Monkey mind sure I would like to keep on good terms with you, but I got to tell you that you commited Defamation in written form, what you did is post False Information wich is damaging to the good reputation of this topic.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/defamation?s=t
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation
John the Monkey mind wrote:Phalanxpursos wrote:John the Monkey mind sure I would like to keep on good terms with you, but I got to tell you that you commited Defamation in written form, what you did is post False Information wich is damaging to the good reputation of this topic.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/defamation?s=t
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation
The idea that it is against the law to question the reasoning and benefit of a law is crazy and an incredibly dark path.
This is a forum not a board for unchallenged statements.
John the Monkey mind wrote:The idea that it is against the law to question the reasoning and benefit of a law is crazy and an incredibly dark path.
This is a forum not a board for unchallenged statements.
Look I really don't mind because I am not that strict, we need to have more Liberty because Freedom is a Natural Law. So you can have your Freedom of Speech and I can have my Freedom of Speech, but there are also Laws regarding Written Language. Eventhough there is Liberty, you also need Discipline to balance out the facts.
So Freedom by itself is not enough, you also need Discipline. Look I just did some reading about Formal Science, so I recognised the mistakes in your argumentation. Vacating the Premise is a sign of Fallacy, but you make a Fallacy but you don't withdraw your statement. John the Monkey mind I told you where the mistakes are, but you just keep on going. Other people giving you back up, so it has a snowball effect.
Phalanxpursos wrote:
Look I really don't mind because I am not that strict, we need to have more Liberty because Freedom is a Natural Law. So you can have your Freedom of Speech and I can have my Freedom of Speech, but there are also Laws regarding Written Language. Eventhough there is Liberty, you also need Discipline to balance out the facts.
Phalanxpursos wrote:Quote about Bandwagoning:
The bandwagon effect is a well documented form of groupthink in behavioral science and has many applications. The general rule is that conduct or beliefs spread among people, as fads and trends clearly do, with "the probability of any individual adopting it increasing with the proportion who have already done so". As more people come to believe in something, others also "hop on the bandwagon" regardless of the underlying evidence. The tendency to follow the actions or beliefs of others can occur because individuals directly prefer to conform, or because individuals derive information from others.
That is what is also happening here.
Phalanxpursos wrote:John the Monkey mind wrote:The idea that it is against the law to question the reasoning and benefit of a law is crazy and an incredibly dark path.
This is a forum not a board for unchallenged statements.
Look I really don't mind because I am not that strict, we need to have more Liberty because Freedom is a Natural Law. So you can have your Freedom of Speech and I can have my Freedom of Speech, but there are also Laws regarding Written Language. Eventhough there is Liberty, you also need Discipline to balance out the facts. So Freedom by itself is not enough, you also need Discipline. Look I just did some reading about Formal Science, so I recognised the mistakes in your argumentation. Vacating the Premise is a sign of Fallacy, but you make a Fallacy but you don't withdraw your statement. John the Monkey mind I told you where the mistakes are, but you just keep on going. Other people giving you back up, so it has a snowball effect.
Quote about Bandwagoning:
The bandwagon effect is a well documented form of groupthink in behavioral science and has many applications. The general rule is that conduct or beliefs spread among people, as fads and trends clearly do, with "the probability of any individual adopting it increasing with the proportion who have already done so". As more people come to believe in something, others also "hop on the bandwagon" regardless of the underlying evidence. The tendency to follow the actions or beliefs of others can occur because individuals directly prefer to conform, or because individuals derive information from others.
That is what is also happening here.
Brian wrote:You talk about Freedom, Freedom of Speech, Liberty as if everyone had these things....do you think they have these things in Russia, Iraq, Iran, China, Cuba...eh? You intelecualise ad nauseum about Idealistic Theory but choose to ignore what is happening all over the world.
Brian wrote:You talk of Discipline....discipline in what??
Brian wrote:You should apply some of that 'Formal Science' to your own argument..and see your own mistakes.
John the Monkey mind wrote:No it is what is happening with human rights law. Human rights law and equality have been a disaster in the UK. Its not like we were all slaves before it was on the books in fact we were one of the most free nations in the world. The human girths act and the equality legislation that followed has had a hugely negative effect on society and on freedom, especially freedom of speech.
John the Monkey mind wrote:Still people will not remove it from the books because if your not for human rights you must be bad or mad in the elite liberal mind.
John the Monkey mind wrote:How can they still keep using violence in politics in the modern western world???
John the Monkey mind wrote:You don't have to be pro fascist or anti animals to see the problem with political cowardice and people being unwilling to challenge groups and ideas with positive names just a free thinker.
pete5770 wrote:Just yesterday I posted a quote that really seems to apply to what you're telling us.
"Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it."
Andre Gide
Phalanxpursos wrote: Because I am Syncretist, that's why I am alowed to believe in more than one religion, follow more than one culture and practice more than one philosophy.
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