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Brian wrote:http://ymaa.com/articles/origin-of-taijiquan
Dvivid wrote:we should respect all lineages that contributed to Taijiquan; Chen Village, Wudang mountain, and Shaolin.
Yeah I discovered that Tai Chi has it roots in Syncretism, which means Persuasive Harmony between Confucianism, Daoism and Buddhism. Anyway thanks everyone for your replies, the information is quite interesting and I am happy to have brought up the subject.
Have nice day.
adamfuray wrote:-there is no evidence that Zhang San Feng was a martial artist, or ever alive for that matter. The "epitaphs" that people use to "cite" his existence are allegorical.
-The 1st time Zhang San Feng was ever mentioned in association with Taijiquan was in 1867, a claim made by Wu Yu Xiang. His student Li Yi Yu, who published this claim, recanted it one year after his teachers death, expressing his skepticism by saying "the creator of taijiquan is unkown"
-There is a picture of Jiang Fa and Chen Wang Ting in Chen Village. He was a rebel military officer that took refuge with the Chen's in the late Ming dynasty after a failed coup, and subsequently became a student. In order to believe that Jiang Fa existed, you must also believe the Chen family claims, considering that they are the only reliable source claiming Jiang Fa ever existed.
Josh Young wrote:Interesting notion.
Allegory you say?
I'd love some elaboration on that.
adamfuray wrote: There is, however, evidence that Yang Luchan was in Chen Village. No one disputes that. There is also evidence that he was considered a great fighter some time in between the time he left Chen village and the time he died. Also, undisputed.
There is also enough similarity between Chen style and Shaolin/Qi Ji Guang's system to make assumptions about the source of Chen Wang Ting's art. It is also worth noting the Shaolin temple a mere two days walk from Chen Village, and the previous generations of vague family martial arts that started with Chen Bu, 5 generations prior.
Taiji, being an ancient Taoist concept does not logically assert that a Taoist was teaching anyone Taijiquan, or whatever it may have been called at the time.
Josh Young wrote:Luchan is interesting, it is said he claimed Chang Seng-Feng was the originator of his art.
I wonder why?
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